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je n'arrive pas à retrouver tout ce que l'on avait marqué c'est normal ?
essayez avec l'adresse http://retro.openstudy.com J'espère qu'ils corrigent ce bug bientôt...
That is correct - your groups are safe and sound at retro.openstudy.com. We're considering migrating more user created groups over to the new user interface (no promises on when this would happen). Is that something that would interest you?
I just wanted to find an immediate answer/solution for all my students who have to work on their projects (end of semester approaching) and avoid a confusion. As long as the groups function in the old interface, there is no problem. We'll just tweak our bookmarks. Has there been a post somewhere informing users of this change? It's quite an important one...
Apologies Elli - we did reach out to several of the group creators ahead of time, but it sounds like you were somehow missed. We plan to send a bigger email announcement and explanation out site-wide on Monday. Thanks for the feedback and your patience.
Ok, great! Thanks a lot your for answers.
oops...we should be able to delete posts too... :)
hee hee good point! we'll get that in this week =). let me know if there's any you want deleted - but I'm fine leaving this here for example as I imagine others will be wondering and be happy to see this already answered.
And if you have any other suggestions on the UI - we're all ears! Thanks again.
No it's fine, like you said, it might be useful for others. Good luck with the new UI and if I have any more ideas I'll let you know!
Thanks, hope to see you around!
One last remark: the link at the bottom of the new UI homepage should be corrected : it now reads http://old.openstudy.com and does not work. I found the retro address through Google search. ;)
oh wow, thank you! (and thank you google) We'll change that today.
Thanks for the note about the broken link; it should now be fixed.
chris you didn't think of making something in the new UI to link people to the groups they have created? ...
Hi Jonathan - thanks for the feedback. Right now there is a link at the bottom of the landing page that links to the old format of OpenStudy. It will be maintained for some time (order of months), and is safe and sound at http://retro.openstudy.com. I'm sorry we didn't notify you ahead of time about the switch. Would you be interested in creating groups on the new version of OpenStudy? We're looking for feedback as to whether or not we migrate more user created groups to the new format of OpenStudy. Any feedback you have regarding the differences between the two versions is appreciated.
I can see the advantage of having fewer groups to attract more students to a particular subject. For me, however, user created groups were one of the principle attractive features of open study. You should definitely allow user created groups somehow. Potentially you could cluster study groups into study areas. I was tempted to use it as part of an experimental pedagogy at my university (Cardiff, Wales, UK) for a second year anatomy module. I didn't go ahead with it in the end because I felt that the features on the groups facility were somewhat limited. It wasn't possible to fully customise these areas, and studypads were difficult to find from within the group. Studypads also got quite laggy when using the trackback function and we're limited in their collaborative tools. Another limitation was not being able to make the group read-only to students who weren't on the course (the module leader didn't like this and wouldn't let me use it. Of course I would tend to agree with your open studying philosophy, and it is the limitless collaboration that will power your movement, however you still have to take into account the plethora of academics who are stuck in their ways...if you want to expand the use of OpenStudy then some more privacy options are essential. Even read-only groups can still provide students much guidance, and of course still be a hub for the production of open education resources (which can then be shared openly on the site, should the sites functionality permit this in the future...) Some other things that would have made OpenStudy an much better experience for me (and the students and academics I showed it too) would be: -fully customisable groups (allow permanent group fixtures- like recommended resources and links, better personalisation of groups area) -audio and video chat for groups/studypads -Shared whiteboard/drawing facility that can output images into studypads -The ability to mark up a PDF collaboratively (like crocodoc.com) and chat whilst you're doing it. -Google docs integration (at least for importing) -Rather than just having study pads, to be able to search through a collection of submitted resources. These could be linked in from other sites, made here on open study, search through studypads etc... Keep up the great work Chris, I've very excited about where your site goes, and would love to get Cardiff University more involved as it does..
sorry, that message is totally riddled with crap typing :P
it's ok =) catching up
Thank you for the candid feedback - that's an awesome list of suggestions. The studypad lag/bugs was one of the primary reasons we looked to move away from them with the new format.
Regarding user created study groups - It think this is somewhere we'll definitely be headed in time. A problem we ran into with the older version was too many study groups - the students that just wanted help on CS, Math, or Writing didn't know which to choose.
And consequently, not enough students gathered in the same place at the same time to get that special real time dialog (but you picked up on this in your explanation).
As far as read only features, privacy, moderation, etc.. - those are certainly things we'll be looking to launch with user created groups in the long term. My current feeling *is* that they may be more long term for now [not within the next month]. However, we're very open to feedback - please use the feedback tab on the lett hand side to suggest and vote for your favorites. We want to make our users happy, and this group and that uservoice forum are our best pulses.
Elli and Jonathan - we are considering expanding our rewards system to facilitate group-level achievements and participation point accumulations. for example if a group member answers a lot of questions, asks a lot of questions, logs in a lot, etc... they would theoretically earn badges for that participation in those groups - and points for being rated helpful by their peers within that group. i.e. we're bringing game-like mechanics where students can earn validation and competency by subject/course/etc..
Is that something you would want for your personal study groups?
I too had been away from OpenStudy for a while and hadn't seen that things migrated over. It would seem natural to have posted something in the blog about the change and where things went. It took a bit longer than it should have to find this post and figure out what happened. The new UI is interesting, but seems generally less functional. It doesn't seem easy to archive old questions/answers, particularly for OCW courses which will be around for many years to come. Why should people be asking/answering the same old questions when they've been addressed before? The new UI version could certainly benefit from an added search functionality to be able to go back to older posted questions or to more easily search for help. The new layouts/functionality and "game mechanics" are interesting, but seem to cater more towards a high school (or younger) demographic and not toward the college or older sets which was one of my favorite parts about the older set up. The one nicer part of the new UI/functionality is that things seem a bit more simplified. The bigger issue on the older system was one of curation. There could easily have been 20 groups all working on Linear Algebra whether it was for the same class/text or not which did lead to lots of redundancy. If I had my choice I'd rather see most of the older system come back with more coordinated curation by the site (or groups of volunteers) to keep a smaller list of study groups popping up. Often people's questions in the old system might not have gotten answered because they weren't tagged properly or placed into the correct study groups. One nice functionality of the new set up is knowing exactly who is online within each discipline/group immediately so that collaboration or the nearness of help feels a bit more immediate. Whichever route you continue in, THANK YOU for a really great online product!
Just going to address a couple of your concerns. First off, sorry we haven't communicated the shift better. This is a problem we're aware of, and more a factor of getting carried away with building the product during the early transitional period. You mention repeated questions; honestly, I haven't been part of an online community yet where that isn't a `problem'. There are two issues with viewing this as a `problem'. First off, it leads to inevitable replies of `just search for it', which, despite my generally being an answerer in communities, still irritates me. Secondly, it assumes that all a person seeks is one `answer'. We believe that answers are extremely contextual. One person may have an issue with one part of a concept while another may have problems understanding an entirely different part of the same concept. And the same explanation may not work for the same part of the same concept for different people. In encouraging asking and answering questions in real time, rather than emphasizing search, we assimilate this viewpoint completely, giving everyone conversational answers that frequently involve some back-and-forth between asker and answerer, and, we believe, produce a better answer *for the specific asker*. Most important, however, is that OpenStudy has two key goals: real-time answers and an organic, real-time community. The former can still benefit from search, but the latter less so. OpenStudy isn't meant to be somewhere people just come to find answers, it's meant to be somewhere people come to study. We form study groups in real life despite answers that can be found in a textbook or sample exam: they exist to help us understand better, not simply to derive answers. To that end, we think we're still catering to both high school and college demographics easily, and arguably to older ones as well (or not arguably—we know for a fact that we have several 50+ year old users who are helping day-to-day, particularly in the math group). Some will enjoy getting medals, fans, and achievements, others will simply enjoy giving help (that's me!)—we've simply added some more dimensions that may start to make studying and homework a little more fun. I hope that explains some of our thinking; we'll probably be packaging something similar to it up into a blog post soon so we can be a bit clearer about the *why* behind OpenStudy and its features, and our thinking when we deliberately omit features or push them into the indeterminate future. Thanks so much for your feedback; every bit helps, and whether we agree or not right now, it all informs our decisions in the future as we seek to move OpenStudy, and education, forward!