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also will it change the way i think see the world or increase my intelligence somehow?
One thing calculus may be good for is to calculate the spread of diseases if you are going into that field of study.
It will definitely expand your knowledge.
i like classes that i walk away from and have a new outlook on reality... but i find it hard to justify taking this class if it isn't going to greatly benefit me i don't want to waste my time
if calculus isn't the right course for this type of mind expanding do you have any suggestions related to my fields of study?
Statistics is a must-take course. Epidemiology is heavy on stats.
ive had epidemiology and stats i love it
calculus is the first level of applications of math, in my opinion. up till calculus, you only learn formulas and arithmetic. in calculus you learn how to use them in life. Calculus will definitely let you walk away with a new look on everything as you will start to understand how thing work a lot better. calculus is based, for the most part, on things changing. In environmental health, a lot of things change, calculus will enable you to at least find the answer to how to stop or start what you want done. and i completely agree with account, stats is a must take for any science field.
yeah stats was mandatory in both my undergrad and my grad curriculum... most people say calc is worthless and extremely hard, i loved algebra and physics i never had trig... is calculus sort of like algebra I and II and physics ? should i take trig over calc or take it before calc?
if you loved alg and physics you wont have a problem with calc. You really cant say calc is like any of the other maths, it really is a whole new course
i will say i didn't like graphing too much but i think i didn't like it because i didn't get why we were doing it, how it is relevant..
yeah arman that is what i don't get,, i dont really know what calc is... it seems mysterious... i know algebra is and what physics is, but calc leaves me scratching my head... how would you explain what calculus is if someone asked?
I know calculus has definitely changed how I view the world. I would recommend taking trig before calc. Calc isn't necessarily difficult, as long as you put don't slack.
To me, graphing helps to reinforce the abstract ideas by showing something visual.
nice Jay, so i should take trig before calc?
algebra isint really relevant as much as it is the logic that you need to be able to do to do the relevant things, thats the problem with this curriculum is that it teaches you a good 10 years of logic before any uses. Calc itself doesnt need trig, but calc trig functions are something that are a need to know for when you do come across something that uses trig. plus, calc is taught with half the problem sets using trig
so if i don't take trig can i trust in the professor to still show us how things are derived from trig... or perhaps go over the trig as a refresher? sounds like i should take it first based on what you all said
i like word problems too, that require problem solving that a simple equation can't just be plugged in without brainstorming... is this in calculus as well?
an explanation for calculus: Calculus is the analyzing of a change in something such that you can figure out, what started it, and what it will end in. In newtonian calculus it can be easily said as: calculus was used to figure out that if you took acceleration, which is increasing speed, and applied time, you would get the increasing of speed over a period of time, aka what the speed is at different times. then if you took what the speed is, and looked at that over time, you would get where something is going over time with that speed. aka position. and you can do that backwards-> position to velocity to acceleration. so Calculus is just looking at something thats changing (rate of change) and seeing what can be determined with that information. Best uses for calc are optimization (how big can it get with so few materials?) and converging and diverging series (where will this go at this rate?) You could throw in total distance (if you know the rate that the distance is changing, you can find the total distance it traveled without too much effort) and possibly curvilinear motion of a particle or, in physics, a spectrum/ vectorial representation (how can i use the information i have to figure out EVERYTHING about this action that took place)
trig is necessary at its fullest, you will probably have to take a full trig course to learn calculus, but applying calculus doesnt require trig so you may not have to use it ever again (you probably will eventually) and word problems are calculus, there is no one equation, calculus is about finding the equation that will tell you what you want to know!
are you working on your masters degree right now or are you going to start on it soon?
Agreed. Trig isn't strictly necessary, but it's a good idea to know the identities. In any given calc class, there will be a lot of problems that require basic trig. You might not need a whole semester's worth of trig, though. Calc can include word problems. (Related rates come to mind.) In general, though, calc requires problem solving. There are equations, but you usually have to think carefully before using them. (This seems to get more true/complicated the more calc you take.) The calc classes I've taken have definitely been my favorite math classes. (I'm a physics major.) One thing to note, though, is that having a good professor will really help. Some ideas can seem complicated if they aren't well explained. So, if you can, do some research to make sure you don't take calc from a dud of a professor. (I speak from experience, in this case. Terrible experiences.)
nice responses i like what i am hearing about calculus it sounds deep and it does sound difficult but very interesting and awakening... I am currently in the process of getting my Masters degree i have about 1 years left to get it...
If you do need help with anything though, there are plenty of geniuses on here and ill help you to the extent i can with calc :D
oh dang, what you may want to do is not get calc as part of your degree and get it separately afterwards, just for the sake of organization (i think this may be a good idea)
then again i know nothing of college...
awesome! arman... and Jay that is wise information, do you think the trig functions i need to know during calculus will get explained by the professor or will he expect us to to already know them... i will have to take this course online! which i think will make it even more difficult,, i would definitely need you all's help.
he will expect you to know them, he will explain there relevance to calc though
arman i am actually just wanting to take Calc I not to get a minor or anything...
pauls notes <3
This guy's website is generally awesome. I've been using his notes to supplement my Calc IV prof's terribleness.
ARMAn!!! I was just at that site Pauls Notes... very excellent stuff broken down!
i have all of pauls notes downloaded on my phone for reference, they are amazing
that is awesome i just found Pauls Notes and that is how i found this forum.. NIce!
uhm so for trig, i taught myself alg2 trig and precal in about a week or so, so you should be able to do it quite easily. we can tell you if youre missing anything or need something if need be
what about self teaching calculus? is that a wise decision? will that just give me a bigger headache?
thats precisely what im doing and id only say do that if you are comfortable with your present math skills and your study skills
I think it would be possible to self-teach calculus, but it would require a lot of discipline. (Way more than I would have had.)
yeah i just read about this asperger kid who taught himself calculus, geometry, algebra in two weeks and he was only like 8...
aspergers are such cool people
im 28 haha
i can't teach myself those things in 2 decades!
im 15 lol
arman u sound like a prodigy of sorts then... what are ur goals... (if only my brain functioned more efficiently)
Arman, you have many years to go. Many years of studying.
nah you probably could do it, i just dont know if youd want to replace going to class with self teaching, it really is more FUN in class
uhhhh i have no idea on my goals lol and ikr i know i have many years but im impatient as anything
i wish i could absorb information better easier faster... like speed read... and remember everything i go over once that is what i truly want
noone can do that O.o
You will learn quite a lot in Grade 11 and 12. I know I am. I wish for the same, burr.
Speed reading doesn't help that much. Not with math, at least. I can read about 800 wpm. But it does nothing for my math skills. Sigh. But the thing about math in general is that it actually requires thinking. Which is why I like it. But still. And then you learn even more in college. Sigh.
ok maybe that is unrealistic but i believe if we really really push ourselves we can get close to that... we can increase our ability to memorize more efficiently and easier the more we try, and we can read quicker and comprehend using the same types of efforts
Impressive feat. 800 wpm. I agree. Math and sciences requires many hours of practice to fully master.
i think in my case i waited too late in life to realize what i really wanted from life... i wasted my time not using my brain and now i am trying to catch up to that intellect i missed out on... so yeah man stay in there and keep it up arman
yeah i am practicing speed reading and i am only up to a little over 300 wpm... this girl came to my house and i had her read a few paragraphs and then i quized her over the reading passage, she got 100% of the quesitons correct and read at over 900wpm
Im sure you have time. As long as you are determined then you are fine.
reading... pffft. wastess of time! math <3
true account and we all need recurring motivation and inspiration to keep us interested and push us along, at least most of us i think
Math and science are so rewarding, though, in spite, if not because of the time dedication required. I have casual interests in other fields (anthropology, creative writing), but ultimately, nothing is quite as inspiring as knowing how stuff works. (Terribly ineloquent there. Blah.) I should probably admit I'm not a pure math person though. I'm really more of an applications person. Physics, cough. Well, technically, I'm an astro geek. I took a class in speed reading a few years ago. I don't speed read all that often anymore because i've found that comprehension isn't perfect enough when it comes to academic readings, and when I'm reading for pleasure, I actually want to spend time absorbing the writing.
he wrote that with like perfect english.....
i wrote an english essay about math... my english teacher failed me but everyone in the math department thought it was like college-level ahahaha
yeah nice writing... i can write better but in a forum meh...
i wasn't implying i write better than you!!! lol just that i can write better than what i have led on in this forum...
lol arman comes through again!
I considered double majoring in physics and English. But honestly, English degrees seem so pointless.... I just dabble in creative writing. And as a result, I can't really escape my instinct to capitalize, even in forums.
Jay creative writing is a great thing to be skilled in, i find myself having quite a limited capacity to describe what i am thinking or how to tell people a concept sometimes, and i think i am limited in that because i wasn't much of a reader or writer growing up... now like i said before, i am paying for it...
i really am trying to increase my vocabulary as well... the thing i hate the most in life though is Citations/Referencing things... I hate doing that, i spend as much time doing that as i do writing the paper sometimes hahaha
thats weird it showed up here too...
I'm of the persuasion that it's never too late to do/learn something. Sure it helps to start earlier, but there's plenty of time. I didn't decide that I really wanted to study science until my junior year of high school. I'd always been interested in astronomy, and I'd always done really well in math and science classes, but I had this preconception that, because I wrote and read so much, I would end up studying something humanities-related. But the humanities... just weren't that exciting. It wasn't the same as listening to/watching Carl Sagan... Then I started reading a lot of astronomy books. And here I am, three years later, somewhat self re-invented.
man that is very cool... well it's been a wonderful discussion with all of you like minded people, I need to run off and do a little reading now... i hope to meet again on this thing at some point later on in life (Calculus problem right there?) until next time you folks have a great night...
Good luck with your mathematical endeavors! I'm off to study for a calc midterm. Woo.
holy toledo!!! midterms!!! ahhhh! i know the feeling good luck to you all too. May the force be with you hahaha.