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Solve the equation. Express the solution as a radical in the simplest form.
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Solve the equation. Express the solution as a radical in the simplest form.
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wolfgirl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
dw:1314895631260:dw
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jhonyy9 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
16(x+3)=x2 x2 16x 48=0
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wolfgirl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
do you mean x^2?
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
square both sides.
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Just make sure that whatever solutions you find are valid for the original question.
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wolfgirl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
(x12)(x4)
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
how did you get that ?
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wolfgirl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I have no idea, let me try it again
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
It's : x^216x48=0 not: x^216x+48=0
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wolfgirl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
did I get the answer right though?
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
You got this right: x^216x+48 = (x12)(x4) But we need to solve this: x^216x48=0 Probably easiest to just use the quadratic formula.
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wolfgirl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
ok i'll try that
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
can you show how you got that ?
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[ax^2+bx+c=0\] \[x=\frac{b \pm \sqrt{b^24ac}}{2a}\] What values did you use for: a=? b=? c=?
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wolfgirl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
sorry my comp was dissconnected again
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ok  so are you ready to continue solving the above ?
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wolfgirl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yeah, I got 4,10
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
what values did you use for a=? b=? c=? when using the quadratic formula ?
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wolfgirl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
a=1 b=16 c=48
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
right. can you show your full calculation ?
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
first, can you calculate this part ? b^24*a*c That's the part inside the square root.
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wolfgirl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
dw:1314900092634:dwdw:1314899842897:dw
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wolfgirl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
the top drawing is supposed to be on bottom
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I'll start with this guy under the square root. He is a special guy and even has a name: The discriminant. \[\Delta=b^24ac\] \[\Delta=b^24ac=(16)^24(1)(48)=256+192=448\] so, \[x=\frac{b \pm \sqrt{\Delta}}{2a}=\frac{(16) \pm \sqrt{448}}{2(1)}=\frac{16 \pm \sqrt{7*8^2}}{2}\] \[=\frac{16 \pm 8\sqrt{7}}{2}=8 \pm 4\sqrt{7}\]
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
let me know if the above is clear.
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wolfgirl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i'm trying to understand it
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wolfgirl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I don't get it
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
can you tell me where it becomes unclear ?
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
you basically did the same thing in the drawings you posted  just the negative/positive signs got messed up a bit.
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wolfgirl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
oh I get it, thanks
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
we're not done yet though ... so if anything above is unclear, let me know before we go on. :)
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wolfgirl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
ok, explain the third line
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
do you mean the part where the number 8 suddenly pops out from under the square root ?
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
oh  this ? 448 = 7*64 = 7*8*8 = 7*8^2
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
the reason I wrote it that way, is because the question wants us to: "Express the solution as a radical in the simplest form" Which means that we need to take everything we can out from under the square root. \[\sqrt{448}=\sqrt{7*64}=\sqrt{7*8^2}=\sqrt{7}\sqrt{8^2}=\sqrt{7}*8=8\sqrt{7}\] Is that cleat now ?
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ok but we're still not done ...
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
The quadratic equation gave us two solutions for x: \[x=8+4\sqrt{7}\] or \[x=84\sqrt{7}\] Right ?
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
but if you look at the original question, which was: \[4\sqrt{x+3}=x\] Notice the there is a square root there, and (x+3) is inside the square root. Right ?
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Can a negative number have a real square root ?
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
so that means that since (x+3) is inside the square root, we cannot allow (x+3) to be negative  right ?
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
so we need to check the two possible values we got for x from the quadratic equation, and check that they don't make the number (x+3) a negative number. One of the numbers is easy to check, try checking this one first: \[x=8+4\sqrt{7}\] When you plug the above value into: \[(x+3)\] Do you get a negative value, or not ?
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wolfgirl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
is tht the answer?
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
yes it is.
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wolfgirl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
ok thanks :)
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Ishaan94 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
\[16(x + 3) = x^2\] \[x^2  16x  48= 0 \]
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Ishaan94 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I did squaring ....
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Ishaan94 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Now I will find Solutions
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Ishaan94 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
\[x = 4(2 +\sqrt7)\] \[x = 4(2  \sqrt7)\] http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=x^2++16x++48+%3D+0
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Ishaan94 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Now when we put the solution in Original function
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Ishaan94 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
\[4(\sqrt{x+3}) = x \]I mean try putting \(4(2 \sqrt7)\)
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Ishaan94 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
You will get  in root which is not possible that is why only one solution is possible
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
yes, but plugging in that value into (x+3), it is not negative: (x+3) = (4*(2sqrt(7)))+3 = 0.41...
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Ishaan94 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Yeah You are right ...I did 3 in 8 my mistake..hmm wolfram is wrong
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Ishaan94 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Let me check wolfram then
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Ishaan94 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=4%28sqrt%283%2B8++4sqrt7%29%29%3D8++4sqrt7
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Ishaan94 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Check this out
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Checking: 8+4*sqrt(7)  Wolfram says true: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=4*sqrt%28%288%2B4*sqrt%287%29%29%2B3%29%3D%288%2B4*sqrt%287%29%29 Checking: 84*sqrt(7)  Wolfram says false: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=4*sqrt%28%2884*sqrt%287%29%29%2B3%29%3D%2884*sqrt%287%29%29
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Ishaan94 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Something wrong with Wolfram I guess
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
hhhmmmm... http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=4*sqrt%28%2884*sqrt%287%29%29%2B3%29%3D%2884*sqrt%287%29%29
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
A result of squaring both sides ...
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
wolfram is right.
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Ishaan94 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sqrt%2811+4sqrt7%29*4 yeah you got it squaring removes the minus sign
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Ishaan94 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Lol I tried to prove that wolfram can be wrong time to time ...but it's always right..
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
yeah, question is  does the teacher expect wolfgirl to take the two values from the quadratic equation and validate them in the original question.
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
coz only one of them is valid.
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Ishaan94 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
well I don't think teacher would expect that ...hmm maybe they allow calculators
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fiddlearound Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ok  we can ask wolfgirl what they usually do in class. Maybe she's related to wolfram.
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Ishaan94 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Lol ... Good Job though ...really nice
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wolfgirl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I'm not related to wolfram lol. But so far I am clueless as to what they do in class. I do Ashworth online school if that helps any
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