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If the chord of contact of the tangents to a parabola x^2=4ay, from an external point T(x1,y1) meets the directrix at R, prove that RT subtends a right angle at the focus.
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Mimi_x3 Group Title
If the chord of contact of the tangents to a parabola x^2=4ay, from an external point T(x1,y1) meets the directrix at R, prove that RT subtends a right angle at the focus.
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
mmmmm, you werent kidding around
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Is this easy for you ? xD
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
i will have to think about it
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
the directrix is that line under the parabola
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
lols, you were thinking that its easy ? xD
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
what class is this ?
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
I live in Australia, so its kinda different, there's only a maths class xD
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
sorry wrong question, have you done calculus
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Yes I have, how did you know ? xD
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
What grade are you in ?
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
it will definitely help
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
im a sophomore in college
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Cool~ college, and you havent learnt that ?
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
not specifically, but i bet i can do this
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
lols, then try hehe
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
im trying to make a diagram, im not even sure i understand the question yet
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ok you have an external pt, and you want the tangent through it
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Yeah, I don't really know where's the external point is, thats why im lost =/
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ok first thing is first. the chord of contact means something special
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Something special ? What do you mean ?
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
there is a picture of a chord of contacts http://www.nointrigue.com/docs/notes/maths/maths_parametrics.pdf
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
well given an external point there are two tangents from that point to the parabola
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now where the tangents intersect the parabola, now draw a chord through those two points
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
where the tangents meet the parabola, the two tangents
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
wow~ nice pdf file, its detailed on parametrics ty
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
But where is the external point ?
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Can't it have to be specific
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
in the pdf, the point is below the parabola
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
It can be but it doesn't make sense when it says RT subtends a right angle at the focus.
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
like this ?
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dw:1319452686670:dw
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
I know but where's the external point ?
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Imaginary ?
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Is the parabola imaginery or somethinbg ?
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
imaginary* something*
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dw:1319452894222:dw
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
I don't get your diagrams ? sorry
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dw:1319453015665:dw
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
I don't get it ? >_<
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
yeah the diagram is a beast
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
lols, why is there like 3 digrams ? i dont get it >_<
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dw:1319453240562:dw
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
lols, this is not 3D trig xD
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can you do better ?
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Nope, i dont know how to start, the problem is where is T
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
just a point below the parabola
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
like in that pdf
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
But it won't make sense, and i dont know how to prove
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
have faith ?
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
i think they mean the segment R T
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
yes have faith when you draw it that it will all come into place, the problem will unravel
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i am atheist, what did you think i mean ?
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
idk, never mind then i will work it out myself
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dw:1319453605908:dw
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
im working on it
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
would be nice if they gave you a diagram
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Yeah i know, none of the hard questions have diagrams =/
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i think RT is the line segment though
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\[\text{An equation of the parabola with focus }(0,p)\text{ and directrix }y = p\text{ is}\] \[x^2=4py\]
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
so the directrix would be y = a in your question :D
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Yeah, but im having problem proving
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
If the chord of contact of the tangents to a parabola x² = 4ay, from an external point T(x1, y1) meets the directrix at R, prove that RT subtends a right angle at the focus. chord of contact of tangents to parabola is xx1=2a(y+y1) directrix is y=a substitute into that, x=[2a(a+y1)]/x1 y=a R([2a(a+y1)]/x1,a) let S be the focus d/dx RS = 2a/ [2a(a+y1)]/x1= x1/(ay1) d/dx TS=(y1a)/x1 d/dx RS * d/dx TS= 1
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
lols, you got it from boredofstudies right ?
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yes... :P
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how did you get chord of tangents equation
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hey, can you draw a diagram then of whats going on, please post the link
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Yeah but the problem is that I don't understand the solution
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
it helps to draw a diagram.
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can you post the link to the solution please , so i can read it
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http://community.boredofstudies.org/showthread.php?t=192825&page=1
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
But what's xx1 ? im trying to figure it out
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Find_the_equation_of_chord_of_contact_tangent_to_the_parabola
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
oh i get it, but where did y=1/2(p+q)xapq come from ?
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
xx1 must mean something like \[x_1\times x= 2a(y+y_1)\]
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
where did 2a come from ?
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
good question
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\[parabola: x^2 = 4py\]\[a = \frac{1}{4p}\]
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
no, isn't it x^2 = 4ay y = x^2/4a y' = 2x/4a = x/2a
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i wish there were other colors, but from T draw two tangents to the parabola
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
perl's diagram works.... but how do we get there using calculus and derivatives if we don't even know the equation for chord of contact of the tangents to a parabola
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
oh the equation of the tangent to the parabola is y=pxap^2 right ?
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they are given here http://www.nointrigue.com/docs/notes/maths/maths_parametrics.pdf
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the chords of tangents formula
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
now it all makes sense
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i dont get that parametrisation, is it because they want x^2 = 4ay ? , what is p
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Doesn't it involve parameters as well P(2ap,ap^2)
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
they want something like the quotient of the slopes between 2 lines is equal to 1
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
and one of those lines should be RT
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crap, it missed the R it is the right bottom corner
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Im confused, is parameters involved ?
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
no parameter seems to be involved :(
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actually a is the parameter, you have to be careful, this word parameter is used in different senses
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, for instance in y = mx + b , m and b are parameters . now another sense of parameter is used when we 'parametrize' an equation. this means we introduce a third variable, often t
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
isn't parameters P(2ap,ap^2) So there must be a point for the parameters ?
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
meh, I assumed m and b to be constant
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right, but they are considered 'parameters'
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
but its not a straight line so it cant be y=mx + b
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
in the sense that they change your line . so for x^2 = 4ay, the parameter is a since that produces different parabolas by tweaking a
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think of in this sense a parameter is your tweaking constant
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the parameter is 'a'*
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I thought a was just a slope
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Im lost =/ Parameter P(2ap,ap^2)_
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changing 'a' changes your parabola. but for the line y = mx + b, changing m,b changes your line
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these are your tweaking values .
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I dont like their use of p, scratch that and use t instead
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ok they are using 'parametric equations' , x = f(t), y = g(t)
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so x = 2at, y = at^2
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I like to use matrices and vectors.
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Yeah thats in cartesian form
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ok, use a matrix or vector, id like to see that
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
mimi, when you remove t, you get cartesian equation
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
matrix or vector ?
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Oh yeah my bad i forgot xD
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/8476/lach11n72fb.jpg
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
I haven't learnt that complicated stuff yet =/
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
you will learn it soon.
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Hope not looks hard already =/
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thats curve fitting, no big deal
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
you will find it easier than conics
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Whats conics ?
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
its a quick way to fit a quadratic sequence, cubic, etc
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
mimi, what we are doing is conics, oh dea
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
conic sections: parabolas, circles, ellipses, hyperbolas, stuff.
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
you do them along parametric equations usually.
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agdg, put the proper definition on board ;)
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
well, they're what you get when you cut a cone.
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
LOL, this is not conics
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
a conic has a specific algebraic equation in x and y , quadratic Ax^2 + Bxy + cY^2 + dy + ex + f = 0
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yes it is, a parabola is a conic
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
a conic is a family of curves, as agdg pointed out
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
But Ax^2 + Bxy + cY^2 + dy + ex + f = 0 ?
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
forget the algebra and xs and ys and f(x)s, you will understand them really well once you picture them geometrically
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ConicSection.html
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Mimi_x3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Um, this doesnt look like a conic
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agdg, whats the nth term of this quadratic sequence 3,5,10,18...
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lets test your matrix skills
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
hmmm... is it infinity?
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no, the nth term
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give me a formula for the sequence
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obviously it diverges, ;)
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
its \[2^n + 2^\frac{n}{2}\]
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
wait! it's \[\frac{2^n+2^{\frac{n}{2}}}{2}\]
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its a quadratic sequence, like in your matrix
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
how do we find it :D
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
so what's the 5th term
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ok so first we find the differences
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the first row of differences is 2 , 5, 8, 11 , ... the second row of differences is 3, 3, 3, ... so you know its a quadratic sequence
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
that looks like a long matrix
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3, 5, 10, 18, 29 ... thats the sequence
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
it should fit f(n) = an^2 + bn + c
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I guess that works.
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agdgdgdgwngo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
how do we multiply matrices?
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are you asking in general ?
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