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: Linear Algebra: (Diagonalization) Let A = {{1,1,1},{1,1,1},{0,0,a}}. Find all values a that will make A defective.
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windsylph Group Title
: Linear Algebra: (Diagonalization) Let A = {{1,1,1},{1,1,1},{0,0,a}}. Find all values a that will make A defective.
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windsylph Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
A = \[\left[\begin{matrix}1 & 1 & 1 \\ 1 & 1 & 1 \\ 0 & 0 & a\end{matrix}\right]\]
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Outkast3r09 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
you must find all values in which the row <0,0,a> is linearly independent
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joemath314159 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
the characteristic equation of this guy is:\[\lambda(a\lambda)(2\lambda)=0\]we see that if a= 0 or a = 2, we will have eigenvalues whos algebraic multiplicities are 2, but the geometric multiplicities may not be 2.
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joemath314159 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
im assuming Defective means it doesnt have a complete set of eigenvectors. is that wrong?
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windsylph Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Defective: if an nxn matrix is not diagonizable, i.e. it doesn't have n linearly independent eigenvectors.
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Outkast3r09 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
correct so find when row is linearly dependent
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joemath314159 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
if we have three different eigenvalues, then the matrix is automatically diagonalizable, so we need to make sure one of the eigenvalues is a repeated root of the equation. That means a has to be either 0, or 2.
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Outkast3r09 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i understand 0 but not so much 2? how is that?
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Outkast3r09 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
also We never went over this.. my book doesn't have this
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windsylph Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
book says a=2, btw.
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joemath314159 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
because the equation is:\[\lambda(a\lambda)(2\lambda)=0\]if a is 2 we get:\[\lambda(2\lambda)(2\lambda)=0\iff \lambda(2\lambda)^2=0\] the eigenvalue 2 will have algebraic multiplicity 2.
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Outkast3r09 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
did the book ask for non trivial?
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joemath314159 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
i think you might be mistaking this with the Null Space, or kernel.
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windsylph Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
haha it didn't say anything about trivial.
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Outkast3r09 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
eh? i just looked at the theorem i just pulled up and it says in order for diagonalization,, n linearly independent eigen vectors
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joemath314159 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
basically, you need to get the characteristic equation:\[\det(A\lambda I)=0\]that turns out to be the\[\lambda(a\lambda)(2\lambda)=0\]so if you dont want the matrix to be diagonalisable, then you dont want 3 different eigenvalues. So a has to be either 0, or 2, to match the other values. But if you let a be 0, you will still end up with a diagonalizable matrix. because the algebraic multiplicity will be 2, and the eigenspace will also be 2 dimensional. So your only answer is a = 2.
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windsylph Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Wait, how did you end up with λ(a−λ)(2−λ)=0?
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windsylph Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
i meant how did you get that as the determinant, to be more precise
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joemath314159 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
scanning and posting in a sec.
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windsylph Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
okay thanks.
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Outkast3r09 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
gotcha for some reason i must have got a sign error i got lambda  a
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joemath314159 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
thats fine too. some people do det(lambda I  A)
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Outkast3r09 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
ahh you were missing a negative lol
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joemath314159 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
lolol
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joemath314159 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
in my defense, the answer will be the same! lol
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joemath314159 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
if im solving for roots of an equation, there is no change in solutions from f(x)= 0 to f(x)=0, this is why math is great :P
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windsylph Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
sorry for making you do all that work, im kind of dizzy right now so I didn't do my determinants correctly. using cofactors and expanding through alambda, I just multiplied the two 1lambda and forgot to subtract 1 from that. sorry for making you do all that after I realized my mistake. thanks so much. :D
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