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hersheys06

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A piece of wire 25 m long is cut into two pieces. One piece is bent into a square and the other is bent into a circle. (a) How much of the wire should go to the square to maximize the total area enclosed by both figures? ANS= 0 m *** (b) How much of the wire should go to the square to minimize the total area enclosed by both figures?

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  1. anonymous
    • 4 years ago
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    if you want a guess i would say put everything in to the circle and forget about the square

  2. anonymous
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    oh sorry you already answered that

  3. anonymous
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    probably all in the square to minimize rigth? just a guess though

  4. ktklown
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    that's my guess too, but, i'll bring mathematica out again ;-)

  5. ktklown
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    yeah, mathematica says to put 100% into the square

  6. ktklown
    • 4 years ago
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    In[940]:= Minimize[{\[Pi]r^2 + x^2, 4 x + 2 \[Pi]r == 25}, {r, x}] Out[940]= {1/16 (625 - 100 \[Pi]r + 20 \[Pi]r^2), {r -> 0, x -> 1/4 (25 - 2 \[Pi]r)}}

  7. hersheys06
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    How much of the wire should go to the square to minimize the total area enclosed by both figures? i think it requires a numerical answer

  8. ktklown
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    all of it. 25 m

  9. hersheys06
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    it says it's incorrect :S

  10. ktklown
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    hmm

  11. ktklown
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    oh now i get x=3.5, that's one side of the square

  12. hersheys06
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    sorrry, still incorrect T___T;

  13. ktklown
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    well it's 4 times that i just gave you one side

  14. hersheys06
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    ohh, i did the area (3.5)^2 instead of (3.5)*4. thanksss

  15. ktklown
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    did it say that was right?

  16. hersheys06
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    yess

  17. robtobey
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    (b) How much of the wire should go to the square to minimize the total area enclosed by both figures? The exact answer is:\[\frac{100}{4+\pi } \text{ meters}\]or 14.002479 meters to 8 digits.

  18. robtobey
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    Take the derivative of the expression of interest\[D\left[\left(\frac{x}{4}\right)^2+\frac{(25-x)^2}{4 \pi },x\right] \]set it to zero\[-\frac{25-x}{2 \pi }+\frac{x}{8}==0 \]and solve for x.\[x\to \frac{100}{4+\pi } \]A plot is attached.

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  19. robtobey
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    Using Mathematica's Minimize function:\[\text{Minimize}\left[ \left\{\left(\frac{x}{4}\right)^2+\frac{(25-x)^2}{4 \pi }\right\},x\right]\to \]\[\left\{\frac{2500+\frac{40000}{(4+\pi )^2}+\frac{10000 \pi }{(4+\pi )^2}-\frac{20000}{4+\pi }}{16 \pi },\left\{x\to \frac{100}{4+\pi }\right\}\right\}\text{ //N} \]

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