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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
So first step of mathematical induction is show the first case is true, so i plug in 1 for i on the left side and n on the right side:
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neverforgetvivistee Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
lol that's from reddit
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\[\sum_{1}^{i=1}(1)2^{(1)}=\]
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Whats from reddit?
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
So above, on the left i have 2
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
on the right....
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strobe Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
It's the sum up to n + 1, not n
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\[(1)2^{((1)+2)}+2 = 2^{3}+2 = 10\]
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
@ strobe, so i am supposed to plug in a 2 instead of a 1?
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strobe Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
It's the sum of the LHS subbed with 1 and 2
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
left hand side
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
ok so the RHS is right
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\[\sum_{i = 2}^{2} = 2(2)^{2} = 8\]
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
so add that to the first summation and i get 10 on the LHS
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
so 10 = 10 is true
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Is that correct?
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Ok, thanks, ill see if I can finish the rest from there :)
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
after step one (show p(1) is true: step 2 is assume p(k) is true and then show p(k) implies p(k+1)
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Cant quite see how i can make that happen at the moment, heres what I have:
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\[p(k) : \sum_{i=1}^{k+1}i2^{i} = k2^{k+2}+2\]
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\[p(k+1): \sum_{i=1}^{k+2}i2^{i}=(k+1)2^{k+3}+2\]
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
RHS simplifies to \[k2^{k+3}+2^{k+3}+2\]
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
So now I need to add something to p(k) to make it match p(k+1)
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
and if after adding that to p(k) the RHS of p(k) = the RHS of p(k+1), that is sufficient proof
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strobe Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I wouldn't bother expanding the RHS. I would expand the LHS, then put it in terms of p(k) + something, replace p(k) with the LHS, then rearrange that result so it looks like the LHS of p(k+1)
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\[p(k)+(k+1)2^{k+1}: \sum_{i=1}^{k+1}i2^{i}+(k+1)2^{k+1}=k2^{k+2}+2+(k+1)2^{k+1}\]
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Hmm, i was always taught to modify add to p(k) then modify p(k)+ whateverRHS to make it the same as RHS of p(k+1)
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
This is so freakin complicated
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
"I would calculate the RHS for k + 1 and then leave it alone. Then try and change the LHS to the same form as the RHS but substituting in the the RHS of p(k) into the LHS."
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
So first I should calculate the right hand side of p(k+1)?
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strobe Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
p(k+1), but dont expand or simplify it, leave it as it is. This is what you're aiming for with the LHS.
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
the LHS of p(k+1)
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
RHS of p(k+1): \[(k+1)2^{(k+1)+2}+2\]
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
isnt much calculation to do really, just plug in
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Then I want to make LHS of P(k+1) the same as that:
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
RHS of p(k+1): \[\sum_{i=1}^{(k+1)+1}i2^{i}\]
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strobe Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Yup, so that equals the LHS of p(k) + something, find that something
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
So I should expand the LHS of p(k+1) first?
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strobe Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Expand so it looks like LHS of p(k) + something
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
I would need to add (k+1)2^(k+1) to LHS of p(k) for them to be equal
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
I just have to show that...
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strobe Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Okay, so LHS p(k+1) = LHS p(k) + (k+2)2^(k+2) (you almost got it) but we know LHS = RHS of p(k), so substitute the LHS with the RHS
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\[(p(k)LHS)+(k+1)2 ^{k+1}> (k2^{k+2}+2)+(k+1)2 ^{k+1}\]
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
The substitution into (p(k)LHS) is p(k)RHS
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Now I need to make that = the RHS or p(k+1)?
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
If so, that's the method I am familiar with
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strobe Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Yup, you'll find it all factorises nicely
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
ok, I must have bliped up somewhere before then, cause the Q i asked making the sides equal was my next step from here attempted
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
I'll try it here
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
so im trying to make \[(k2^{k+2}+2)+(k+1)2^{k+1} = (k+1)2^{(k+1)+2}+2 \]
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
expanding everything out isnt the way to go?
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neverforgetvivistee Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yes
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
it is the way to go?
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
p(k): \[k2^{k}4+2^{k}2+4\]
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Im not seeing it :/
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Clearly, im totally lost
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phi Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
You have to be very careful with the indices with this problem. We can show the expression works for n=1. Now assume it is true for n=m. Can we show it is true for m+1?
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Thats what i tried to show
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Did i make an arithmetic error somewhere or is my methodology wrong or what
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phi Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[\sum_{i=1}^{m+2}i2^i= \sum_{i=1}^{m+1}i2^i + (m+2)w^{m+2}\]
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phi Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
not sure where you went wrong. See how we start: We increased m by 1, and then break the sum into two parts.
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phi Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
the first sum on the right hand side "works" because we assume it works for n=m. so we can replace it with \[ m 2^{m+2} +2 \]
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phi Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
that "w" in the first formula is a 2 ! \[ \sum_{i=1}^{m+2}i2^i= \sum_{i=1}^{m+1}i2^i + (m+2)2^{m+2}\] \[ = 2+ m 2^{m+2} +(m+2)2^{m+2} \]
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
so now I need to set that equal to the right hand side of m+1
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
or make it equal that at least
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phi Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I'm still working on it. we want the right hand side equal to what the formula says if we use n= m+1
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
RHS of m+1:\[(m+1)2^{m+3}+2 \]
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phi Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
that "w" in the first formula is a 2 ! \[ \sum_{i=1}^{m+2}i2^i= \sum_{i=1}^{m+1}i2^i + (m+2)2^{m+2}\] \[ = 2+ m 2^{m+2} +(m+2)2^{m+2} \]
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
right we need to make that equal what i just typed up right?
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
If so, that is this: http://imgur.com/P8Tnf
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phi Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
yes and I believe they are.
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
isnt it or am i missing something?
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phi Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
we have m+2 now, you have k+1
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phi Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
very close, but not close enough!
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
ok i must have messed that up somewhere
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phi Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Do you see how to get the "new" version? (with m+2), it's the next term we are adding, with i= (m+2)
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phi Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
It's confusing because we go to n+1 instead of n, so going up one term means n+2. Anyways... can you simplify what we have?
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
yea, so confusing!
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phi Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
multiply out (m+2) 2^(m+2)
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
making it m made it less tho
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phi Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
we get \[ 2+ m 2^{m+2}+m2^{m+2} + 2^{m+3} \]
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
thats not the same tho
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
thats \[2+2m ^{m+2}+2^{m+3}\]
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phi Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
add the two m2^(m+2) to get m*2*2^(m+2) = m*2^(m+3)
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
RHS is \[2+m2^{m+3}+2^{m+3}+2\]
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Now I see it :)
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phi Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
you have an extra 2 in there. But factor out 2^(m+3) to get \[ 2+ (m+1) 2^{m+3} \]
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Let me try and write this out and think it out
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
hopefully fully see where i bliped up
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Thanks so much
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mwmnj Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Will post here when done
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phi Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I would tweak it a bit. Your statement showing that the formula works for p(1) is not clear. It is better to state: by definition \[ p(1)=\sum_{1}^{2} i2^i= 1\cdot2^1+2\cdot 2^2= 10\] From the formula, p(1) is \[ p(1)= 1 \cdot 2^{(1+2)}+2=10 \] therefore the formula holds for n=1 Also add a short explanation of what you are doing in part 2b. For example, The formula gives p(k+1) as .... and for the second part: By definition, p(k+1)= .... Finally, point out where you are making use of the assumption that the formula is assumed to be true for p(k). This is where you replace the summation with the results of the formula.
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