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FOIL Inopeki :D
(a+b)(c+d)
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ac+ad+bc+bd
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nice
(x+3)(x4)
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x^24x+3x12
 TuringTest
good, simplify
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x^21x12
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Good, (no need to write the 1 though)
(3p+t)(2p4t)
 anonymous
Oh right
6p^2+3p*4t+t*2p+5t?
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not 5t...
everything else is right though
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5t
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no... look closely
 anonymous
5t^2?
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4t^2
:P
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Huh :O
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You don't see it?
(4t)(t)=4t^2
look at the last terms in the parentheses
 anonymous
Ohhh, now i see it
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so you have what then, before simplifying?
 anonymous
6p^2+3p*4t+t*2p+4t^2?
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4t^2
:P
 anonymous
Oh right xd
 TuringTest
can you simplify it?
 anonymous
6p^2+3p*4t+t*2p4t^2
6p^2+6p^24t^24t^2?
 TuringTest
no... how did you the p^2 in the middle?
we had
6p^2+3p(4t)+t(2p)4t^2
parentheses look cleaner btw, you should use them here
what is
3p(4t)
and
t(2p)
???
 anonymous
12pt?
2pt?
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right, so then we have...?
 anonymous
6p^212pt+2pt4t^2
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yes :D
and how does that simplify?
 anonymous
I dont know actually, maybe
6p^214pt+pt4t^2?
 anonymous
No
 TuringTest
they are like terms in the middle
12pt+2pt=10pt
this goes for any combination of variables
a^2bc+3a^2bc=4a^2bc
wr^4dt^3+3wr^2dt+6wr^4dt^3=7wr^4dt^3+3wr^2dt
notice in this last example we couldn't combine all the terms because one had different exponents. We can only combine when they are the exact same in exponents and number of variables.
 anonymous
But dont i need to multiply them to get 10pt?
 TuringTest
no, just add the coefficients
factoring is one way to see it...
factor out 'pt' from the middle two terms:
\[6p^212pt+2pt4t^2=6p^2+(122)pt4t^2=6p^210pt4t^2\]
 anonymous
Oh wait, i get it now, it would me multiplication if it was 10pt^2
 TuringTest
not necessarily. You can't multiply things unless the equation tells you too, or you do a trick like multiply both sides
if you have
10pt^2+7pt
you cannot simplify that...
 anonymous
Oh ok. But what i meant was that if it were to tell us to multiply it would look like this 10pt^2 and not this 10pt
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if you multiplied you get
\[(2pt)(12pt)=24p^2t^2\]
 anonymous
Oh right
 anonymous
Since you would be multiplying both p and t with itself
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right
 anonymous
Whatever, were getting off track :)
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not really, you need to get this down too. It's all related, and it's good to know where you're at.
(2s^2+p)(s3p^3)
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hey I'm green! never been a mod for math before :)
 anonymous
Congratulations! You deserve it :)
 TuringTest
thanks :) I can't delete things though, don't see the point
oh well...
(2s^2+p)(s3p^3)
 anonymous
(2s^2+p)(s3p^3)
2s^3+2s^3(3p^3)+p(s)+3p^4
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so far so good
now try to simplify...
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oh wait, small error
 anonymous
OH the 
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2s^3+2s^3(3p^3)+p(s)+3p^4
^^
should be???
 anonymous
2s^3+2s^2(3p^3)+p(s)3p^4
^^ plus that :)
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good catch I missed the sign lol !!!
yes excellent
now can you simplify it
 anonymous
Thanks :D
2s^3+2s^2(3p^3)+p(s)3p^4
2s^36s^2p^3+sp3p^4?
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perfect
last one:
(a+b)(ab)
 anonymous
a^2ab+abb^2?
a^22abb^2?
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not quite, I don't think those terms in the middle add...
 anonymous
The simplification or the first one?
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a^2ab+abb^2
^^^^^
what is x+x ?
 anonymous
Oh right, 0
 TuringTest
so
(a+b)(ab)
is?
 anonymous
a^2b^2?
 anonymous
Some kind of coaching class going on here?
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And that is a very important formula
@pratu Inopkie wants to learn Algebra, a good cause in my book :)
 anonymous
ok...
 anonymous
Shall I help?
 TuringTest
Thanks but I think I have an idea what I want to show him, we've been working together for a while ;)
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@Inopeki
We just showed that\[(a+b)(ab)=a^2b^2\]That relation is called the 'Difference of Squares' formula.
It is used all the time, as you will see, as a quick way to factor anything of the form\[a^2b^2\]
 anonymous
so a^2b^2=(a+b)(ab)?
 anonymous
Its an identity.
 TuringTest
Yes, it's always true for that form.
This is handy as you will see because if you remember how factoring helped us solve other equations, it will do the same for us here:
For instance\[x^24=0\]we can factor this..\[(x2)(x+2)=0\]which as I mentioned befor by the 'zero factor property' means that we need to solve\[x2=0\]and\[x+2=0\]to find the zeros of our polynomial
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But isnt (x2)(x+2) 0 because the 2s negate?
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foil it out and tell me yourself
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x^2+2x2x+2*2
Well pellet
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right which simplified too what?
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x^24
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so that's not always zero, is it?
if x=1 then f(x)=3, not zero
what the expression f(x) is equal to here depends on what we put for x.
There are in fact only two values for x that will make f(x)=0
Which should make sense by what I said yesterday:
The order of the equation is 2, so the total multiplicity of its roots is 2
(fundamental theorem of algebra)
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isnt that f(1)=
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yes, sorry, bad notation on my part
f(1)=3
f(0)4
etc.
 anonymous
But how does that work?
 TuringTest
which part?
 anonymous
Functions, maybe im not ready for that subject
 TuringTest
No you are, perhaps I haven't been clear enough
whenever I write
x^24
If I want to know where this graph hits the xaxis it is useful to call this a function f(x)
here we have
f(x)=x^24
Think about a graph: When the graph is toughing the xaxis it is at y=0, correct?
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I just 'called' it a function, and made it graphable...
 anonymous
Yeah, when x and y intersect its 0,0
 anonymous
oooh
 anonymous
f(x)=y+2x3
So if we want to figure out y we need to plug in something for x
 TuringTest
well, wait now, if you have a y in the function then it is not f(x)
here's one thing that I bet is confusing you:
f(x)=y
when we write a line equation
y=mx+b
we are saying something about the graph:
that the y coordinate is proportional to the x coordinate in this way.
However this is rather simplistic. It is really more that we have a function
f(x)=mx+b
and we have chosen to graph it by letting the ycoordinate of our graph be f(x)
they are effectively the same here, but a function can be graphed in many different types of coordinates, so y would not be used unless we are in Cartesian coordinates as we are now.
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hence it's better to think of graphs in terms of functions,
represented in Cartesian coordinates by y
 anonymous
What are cartesian coordinates?
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the regular ones you know
xaxis and yaxis
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Yeah
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there are other coordinate systems like polar, spherical, and cylindrical coordinates
If we tried to graph our function in polar coordinates, y would have no meaning.
however the zeros of the function are independent of how we choose to graph it. The math will be the same.
Hence when we want to know the zeros of some polynomial we call it f(x), and that allows us to put numbers into it and see what happens
f(x)=x^24
f(0)=04=4
f(1)=14=3
f(2)=44=0
so we found a zero simply by calling this a function and putting numbers into it.
 anonymous
One question, what do we gain from functions, what are the numbers on the RHS?
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which numbers on the RHS?
 anonymous
Like f(0)=04=4<
^

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well that's the simplified form of f(0):
f(0)=4
check it by plugging in x=0 into the function
 anonymous
But if we know that f(0)=4 why do we do it?
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lol, why /don't/ we want to do that?!
Almost all things in physics can be represented by function. If you want to know when the water pressure of a system will become too high, what trajectory to shoot your spaceship, or where a quantum particle will be at a certain time, you must analyse functions in this way.
 anonymous
Really?
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Then teach me! This is important!
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Really, though of course actual physics problems are usually (though not always) a bit trickier than just plugging in a number
but yes, functions are instrumental to calculus, and therefor physics
As I said earlier calculus is about analyzing functions...
I guess we should start to talk about functions in a very detailed way.
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Yes please :D
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the definition of a function for you will be:
if you have something like
y=f(x)
(where f(x) is some arbitrary polynomial with x's in it)
and for every x you put in you get exactly one number for y back, then
y=f(x) is a function, and y is a function of x
try to soak that in, I'll tell you more about it momentarily
 anonymous
So what you are saying is that if f(x)=y x=y?
 anonymous
Well not really
 anonymous
What you are saying is that if x is one and y is 2 and you add 1 to x you add one to y aswell?
 TuringTest
no, just that we get only one value of y for each x
for instance
f(x)=y
I defined that, whether or not it's a function
however if for every x we put in we get only one y back,
then f(x) is a function, and the variable y is a function of the variable x
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scratch the *for instance :/
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Gotta go eat dinner, brb
 TuringTest
look at a graph like a circle (I know you haven't studied them much yet this way)dw:1326043068666:dwthis is not a function because there is more than one y for each value of x...
see you in a bit, I'm gonna have breakfast.
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drawing a line from x to its corresponding y value you should know we need a vertical linedw:1326043155512:dwsee how one xcoordinate corresponds to two different y values y1 and y2?
But what about y=2x+5 ?dw:1326043286670:dwthis graph has exactly one value of y for each value of x, so it is a function.
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the idea above is what's called the 'vertical line test':
if you can draw a vertical line at any point on the graph and intersect it twice, then it is not a function.
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when you return look at this
say we have a table of values for some
y=f(x) and we want to know if f(x) is a function....
look at the table
x y=f(x)

1  2
3  7
2  0
5  2
Is this a function? why or why nmot?
 anonymous
Its not.
EXEPT the one that says 2  0<<
cause that means that there is only one value of x ^
 anonymous
The others seem to have two values of x
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actually look at the x's
each x has one y, so it is a function
we have that f(5)=f(1)=5 so two different x's give the same y, but that is okay
the only thing against the rules would be to have something like this
x  y

1  3
2  5
1  4
because this means that f(1) has two values:
f(1)=3 and 4
so this is not a function...
look at the x to see which gives more than one f(x)...
(I am using the terms f(x) and y here interchangeably)
x  y

2  0
3  1
5  6
3  6
1  0
function or not ant why?
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Yeah
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That's right FFM does the curriculum meet your approval?
I doubt it with your standards :P
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x  y

2  0 =f(2)=2? im sorry, i dont really understand
3  1
5  6
3  6
1  0
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f(2)=0
that means when x=2, y=0, yes?
 anonymous
Ooooh
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that's all there is to that
so is there any f(x) on the list that gives more than one number for a single x?
 anonymous
So,
x  y

2  0 = f(2)=0
3  1 = f(3)=1
5  6 = f(5)=6
3  6 = f(3)=6
1  0 = f(1)=0
So, no.
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actually what is f(3) ?
 anonymous
Oh! 1 and 6!
 TuringTest
exactly, so not a function :)
 anonymous
f(3)=1+6 so its not a function!
 anonymous
YEah :D
 anonymous
And that means that f(3) could be graphed in a circle?
 TuringTest
right
not 1+6=7 of course, it equal the set\[f(3)=\left\{ 1,6 \right\}\]
It doesn't mean it would be a circle but it would fail the vertical line test, watch...
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Of course.
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Y cant have to places
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two*
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:)
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thanks FFM, praise form Caeser :) dw:1326046327322:dwnow look at the points of our possible function above. is there any place we can draw a vertical line that would intersect two points?
 anonymous
No way!
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lol *Praise from Ceaser
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no way to draw a vertical line and hit more than one point you say?
 anonymous
Not more than 3.
 anonymous
And there are 5 so..
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more than 3?
You only need to hit 2 points to show that this is NOT a function and here it is:dw:1326046665544:dwso again we show by this that f(3) has more than one value...
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Yeah
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are the following functions?dw:1326046773020:dw(I'll fill in different graph above)
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f(x)=y?
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yes
f(x)=y because we have defined it that way
now:dw:1326046848239:dwfunction?
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NO
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draw the vertical line that hits more than one point on the graph if that is true
 anonymous
No wait, there are no points
 anonymous
dw:1326046981078:dw
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there are infinite points on a line....
a line intersects another line at a pointdw:1326047055394:dwP is our intersect point
can you draw a vertical line that hits the curve at more than one point?
 anonymous
Oh, so y is a vertical line?
 anonymous
Then this could be a function
 anonymous
dw:1326047157974:dw not function
 anonymous
But yours is
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now you got the idea :Ddw:1326047282819:dwfunction?
 anonymous
No.
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show
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dw:1326047285288:dw
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just one line is sufficient, but yes :)dw:1326047413725:dwfunction?
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Yes
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good :)
x  y

1  3
2  3
3  3
4  3
function?
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Yes
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For all of them
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But if it was 13
14
It would not
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good
x  y

0  3
0  2
0  1
0  0
I think you already proved you know this, but function?
 anonymous
No
 anonymous
0 has 4 values of y
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nice job, exactly
slightly different:
f(x)=x+3
function?
 anonymous
I guess that depends on what you plug in for x?
 anonymous
Actually, no
 anonymous
It is a function
 anonymous
It doesnt show multiple values of y, just x+3
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Excellent!!!!!!!!
 anonymous
Yes! :D
 TuringTest
perfect observation :)
every x we put in gives us only one y.
y=0
is y a function of x?
 anonymous
Only if we know that 0=x
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not so, plug in various x into the function f(x)=0, we get the table
x  y

0  0
1  0
2  0
3  0
and so on...
and I think you would agree that this chart constitutes a function.
 TuringTest
tricky one, but now you know ;)
 anonymous
Yes, that chart constitutes a function. But if there were no chart?
 TuringTest
They are all in agreement, the chart, the graph, everything.
we don't need x=0 to get one value of y back; we always get one value of y. The same value of y, namely zero.
do you know what the graph of y=0 looks like?
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dw:1326048301595:dw
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Thats 0,0
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yes but I don't want the point (0,0)
y=0 is a line:
it's actually the xaxis
the line x=0 is the yaxis
think about that for a minute
 anonymous
Oh, right. dw:1326048543616:dw
 anonymous
Didnt really think of that
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exactly, and does the graph of y=0 pass the vertical line test?
 anonymous
No
 TuringTest
are you saying that you can draw a vertical line that intersects it twice? show...
 anonymous
OH you mean that? Never mind lol
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so is the graph indicative of a function or not?
 anonymous
Yes, it is
 TuringTest
perfect, what about the line x=0?
(standard cartesian notation here , don't get hung up on the names of variables, we could easily have them to t and p or whatever)
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dw:1326049009726:dw
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yes, so is it a function?
 anonymous
Yes.
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be careful
can we draw a vertical line that touches the graph at more than one point?
what would the table of values look like?
 anonymous
No wait, this becomes f(x)=x right?
 TuringTest
no, this would be
f(x)x=0
(read f of x such that x is zero)
here f(x) takes on a range of values from negative to positive infinity:
x  f(x)

0  0
0  1
0  2
0  1
0  2
etc.
not a function, right?
 anonymous
I think i get it, its because there is no y?
 anonymous
but f(x) has endless possibilities
 TuringTest
no this chart is the same as
x  y

0  0
0  1
0  2
0  1
0  2
I told you that y and f(x) are interchangeable
y is the name of the coordinate which we are using to represent f(x)
so here they are the same
the chart itself is of the same type as you saw before, we have one value of x corresponding to multiple (in this case infinite) values of y, so it is not a function.
 anonymous
Ohhh, but if you had y corresponding to multiple values of x it would be a function.
 TuringTest
right :)
 anonymous
Ah, now i see!
 TuringTest
let me try to clear a few things up...
what is the dependent and what is the independent variable here?
 anonymous
The dependent variable is y because if its a function or not depends on y having multiple values corresponding to one value of x.
 TuringTest
right, but I'm not sure about your reasoning, so what about
f(y)=x=y^2+3y
which is dependent and which is independent?
 anonymous
x is the dependent one i think
 TuringTest
exactly, so here x is a function of y
we could have therefor more than one y value for an x value in this case, but not more than one x value for each y, if it is to be a function.
so really the rule is better stated this way:
"a relation is a function if each value of the independent variable corresponds to exactly one value of the dependent variable"
because we can change the names or swap positions of the variables
 anonymous
Because we can have more of y but not more of x
 anonymous
exactly
 TuringTest
exactly, look at the new version of our rule above (in quotes)
 anonymous
Yeah, that sounds right.
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so whenever we see
f(t)=r
for instance which is dependent and which ins independent?
 anonymous
We should move to another "thread" this one is lagging for me
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I agree go ahead
 anonymous
r is the dependent and t is independent
 TuringTest
exactly :)
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