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  • 4 years ago

What does this quote mean: "To discern the price of progress, one must reflect on what is lost"?

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  1. jagatuba
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    You don't know what you have until it's gone. ;)

  2. anonymous
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    'ain't that true.

  3. anonymous
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    Jag, I believe that goes "You don't know what you've got 'til it's gone" . . . ; ) or were you not quoting whence I thought you were?

  4. anonymous
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    Melanie?

  5. anonymous
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    "To discern the price of progress, one must reflect on what is lost" If this is in reference to advances in technology, my perspective is that more communal and agrarian ways of life have been diminished (among other "losses" in the Western world). To respond, you should weigh those "losses" against the gains that technology has created in order to determine the "price of progress." In other words, what has society given up in order to advance?

  6. anonymous
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    But have you tried to live the agrarian lifestyle of a third world state? This matter is very complex as you note by your response. I name the book "Denialism" in my profile as a must read, it covers this issue. The West will deny the use of GM foods for instance at the very great expense to the third world. Organic food is great if you can pick it and eat it, but if it has to be stored and travel the distances that "normal" food does it can become toxic - it starts to rot, a natural process, the moment it's picked very quickly. Food for thought. A really complex and fascinating topic.

  7. anonymous
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    I was just using an agrarian lifestyle as an example. There are a plethora of "losses" to choose from - I was just trying to provide additional fodder for the OP besides "you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone." Another example could be loosing face-to-face social interactions due to increased communication over the internet. (The gain being increased venues in which to communicate.) Yes, it is a very complex topic and there are many ways to think about it. GM foods itself is a complex and fascinating issue, from the fruits and vegetables that have been modified to protect against bug infestation or disease, to increased nutrients, to breeding to select for uniform shape to fit better into shipping materials. Labeling is another issue, as well as studies on the long-term effects of GMO consumption. Yes, it's easy to villainize Monsanto, and yes much of the opposition to GMO are based on visceral reactions. I'm not opposed to GMO, but I will not derail this topic further by exploring those issues here.

  8. anonymous
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    @Cryptic -- Joni! . . . as in, "They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

  9. anonymous
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    Thanks Red, I lost track of the songs. I'm sure Melanie did something along those lines (pun).

  10. jagatuba
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    I know this is ages old (in OS time), but I've been (and still am) trying to get stuff ready for graduation. @Redwood Girl: I was loosely quoting. ;) And to illustrate how differently we think, I had in mind Tom Kiefer, as in "I can't tell ya baby what went wrong, I can't make you feel what you felt so long ago, I'll let it show." (Cinderella)

  11. anonymous
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    Ooops, yes, very different musical references. I am not at familiar with the band. Looks like the phrase is still informal though -- "don't know what you got (till it's gone). The Joni Mitchell song was such a rallying cry in its time (ages old, and not just in OS time) that it immediately came to mind for me. Good luck with graduation! Yours, I take it?

  12. jagatuba
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    Yeah. I've been doing announcements for the last two days and I still have a bit to do on that, I'm missing addresses. And then I have to start working on a speech. I want to apply as a speaker but they want the complete speech well in advance because they have to approve it, plus it is part of what they use to judge who speaks.

  13. anonymous
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    Very cool. What will you speak on?

  14. jagatuba
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    Haven't figured it out yet. Probably the typical that was where we were and this is where we've come cra-. Actually, that wouldn't be too bad because most of us are adult learners (read: not fresh out of high school) with families and full time jobs and careers.

  15. anonymous
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    That may be the "typical" focus, but you will give it a spin all your own. :)

  16. jagatuba
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    Of course. Not much point unless I do huh? And I do have a certain -- artistic flair -- when it comes to presentations. In HIS/145 I gave a presentation on Woodstock. I was all dressed nice, suit and tie, whole nine yards. I causally removed my jacket as I started I was talking about how it was a time of unrest for American youth, and I got to a part where I shouted, "DOWN WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT!" -- I rip off my tie -- "DOWN WITH THE GOVERMENT!" -- I literally rip of my shirt with buttons flying -- Then in a calmer voice. "Down with the man." And I dropped my drawers. Under it all I had the full hippie get up. Tie die shirt, ratty jeans, peace medallion . . . Oh and I went barefoot through the presentation. You should have seen the look on everybody's faces. It was awesome. Of course it'll be nothing that dramatic this time . . . They wouldn't let me 10 feet from the mic.

  17. anonymous
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    lol . . . I'll bet! That sounds pretty amazing. But even though you'll leave the spectacle behind, you don't have to leave the drama behind. Wow them with your words. As I'm sure you will. Seems like you have a flair with those as well.

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