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If CPUs were infinitely fast, and we had infinitely fast and infinitely large memory, would we benefit from optimization?

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  1. anonymous
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    So you're talking about the point that computers pass us? What's that called again, (trying to think)

  2. anonymous
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    The technological singularity?

  3. anonymous
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

  4. anonymous
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    There you go

  5. dumbcow
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    if you had a infinite amount of money, would you benefit from managing your money ??

  6. anonymous
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    @dumbcow maybe not

  7. anonymous
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    Ohh, good one dumbcow (I always feel uncomfortable typing your name btw) ;)

  8. dumbcow
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    isn't the point of optimization is to maximize limited resources....therefore optimization is obsolete with infinite resources...in my opinion

  9. anonymous
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    So, theoretically, optimization is the maximization of infinite resources, correct? Thus would be unnecessary in your scenario

  10. anonymous
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    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/PPTMooresLawai.jpg

  11. anonymous
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    haha, beat me to it dumbcow

  12. anonymous
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    Is there any resource on earth that's infinite?

  13. anonymous
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    no

  14. anonymous
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    nothing on earth is infinite if the earth itself will have a set limit of existence itself...

  15. anonymous
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    What about software that can be infinitely copied/reused with no sort of degredation, or even ideas?

  16. Xishem
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    Well, given that a resource must take up some sort of space, an infinite resource would take up infinite volume.

  17. anonymous
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    so, does a resource have to be tangible then?

  18. Xishem
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    Not necessarily. I feel that all resources take up some sort of "space", whether that space is volume or not. Let me try to rephrase.

  19. anonymous
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    software and ideas certainly do take space

  20. anonymous
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    i was referin to material of course

  21. anonymous
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    Ideas? How so? @agdg

  22. Xishem
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    Well, ideas can be stored in a few places: neurons, text, etc. But none of these is infinite.

  23. anonymous
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    @cshalvey don't they occupy minds? Don't minds have limited storage? I think the mind is a little different though...

  24. Xishem
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    An idea can exist without being stored in any of those places, but if it's not stored in any one of those places, does it actually exist? Since no one knows the idea?

  25. anonymous
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    right, the mind is absurdly hard to quantify - we have estimates, but no real hard data, ie GB of storage for instance

  26. anonymous
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    Interesting Xishem...

  27. anonymous
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    an idea can be used :P

  28. anonymous
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    without many thought to it

  29. anonymous
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    Also, if I have an idea, and I forget - does that idea necessarily cease to exist?

  30. Xishem
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    Crazy... I wonder if it's stored somewhere in the folds of your brain in some neurons somewhere that you just can't access.

  31. anonymous
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    Philosophy on the Math group :-D

  32. Xishem
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    Or I wonder if it's possible to completely erase an idea or thought from your mind?

  33. anonymous
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    i think it has more to do with psychology :P

  34. anonymous
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    I think so Xishem - for instance studies on dreams, etc are more puzzling than helpful

  35. anonymous
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    if you are talking about the mind

  36. anonymous
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    Also deja vu

  37. anonymous
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    deja vu :-D

  38. anonymous
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    Imma gonna give this question a medal - off topic be damned ;)

  39. anonymous
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    I thought deja vu was simply a glitch in your memory function or something...

  40. anonymous
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    True, but it's also rooted a lot in memory they've found. Which is weird - because it's forward focused (present experiences 'remembered')

  41. Xishem
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    I'd be interested to see how you could affect certain memories that are stored in the brain. For instance, if you (physically) removed a neuron from a neuron group for a given memory, how would it affect that memory? Would it be like corrupted files on a computer, where they just couldn't be read, or would some completely unrelated memory take its place?

  42. anonymous
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    I think it's more organic than that - the concept of 'relearning' how to walk for instance - neurons regrow in new paths...

  43. anonymous
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    And then there's actual memory loss - amnesia - which spontaneously can go away, or never go away

  44. Xishem
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    Like if you pull the last bit off of 1011, it changes from 11 to 5. cshalvey: Hmm, possibly. It'd be interesting to see how different memory groups relate to eachother.

  45. anonymous
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    memory loss is actually caused by the brain becoming smoother

  46. anonymous
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    less wrinkly

  47. anonymous
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    right, a degradation right?

  48. anonymous
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    mhm

  49. anonymous
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    humans are different would be different computers where humans can relearn things humans can forget things and remember again computers they hold things in for a terminally if they break ( they are doomed forever until fixed)

  50. Xishem
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    That's just because the system that humans use to find data is... primitive compared to computers.

  51. anonymous
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    well, this was fun everyone - but I'm off to bed - knackered great question adgd, interesting convo mth, Xishem, dumbcow

  52. anonymous
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    k bb gngn

  53. anonymous
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    lol with so many ppl answering i felt like i did something wrong

  54. anonymous
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    A quick responce to the question "what is infinite on earth?" Data.

  55. anonymous
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    .....

  56. Xishem
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    That's a pretty broad term. Specify?

  57. anonymous
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    Or was that already said? :/

  58. anonymous
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    Well, if you think about it, everything around us is made up of data. Specificaly atoms and cells.

  59. Xishem
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    So are there infinite atoms and cells?

  60. anonymous
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    Technically... yes. Untill we find a limit to space, and time. :|

  61. Xishem
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    We haven't NOT found a limit. I don't think you can automatically assume that space and time are infinite.

  62. anonymous
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    And then there is Pi (\[\pi\]). Which to my current understanding is infinite. Thereby providing infinite data.

  63. anonymous
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    Ah! And Energy is also infinite.

  64. anonymous
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    isn't the concept of infinite and infinitesimal relative?

  65. anonymous
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    lol numbers

  66. Xishem
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    Just because pi has an infinite number of digits doesn't mean all of those digits are stored somewhere. Pi is only an abstraction humans have made for the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter. It has no meaning.

  67. anonymous
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    energy is not infinite

  68. anonymous
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    mth3v4, Energy cannot be created or destroyed. So in theory, we will never gain more, or lose any. Doesn't that make it infinite?

  69. anonymous
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    I am talking in reference to the physical world. Imagine a creature so small lets say made up of just an element or nearly an element's size wouldn't the term infinitesimal and infinite have different meaning for the creature.

  70. anonymous
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    according to the laws of newton not so

  71. anonymous
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    it is not a matter of destroying or not destroying

  72. Xishem
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    The energy will be around for an infinite amount of time, but you don't have infinite energy.

  73. anonymous
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    @Xishern, I understand that it's nothing more than a numeric value, I am just trying to think of concepts that are infinite.

  74. Xishem
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    If you have 5 everlasting dollar bills, you still can't pay for something that costs $10.

  75. anonymous
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    mth3v4, Can you please explain?

  76. anonymous
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    i am not reffering to conservation of energy

  77. Xishem
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    Energy would be infinite resource, certainly.

  78. Xishem
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    *an infinite resource

  79. Xishem
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    However, it's not infinite on Earth.

  80. anonymous
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    True.

  81. Xishem
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    Well, actually, assume that Earth were a closed system (which it's not). No energy can escape, so therefore, you could continue using the energy over and over, yes?

  82. anonymous
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    Correct.

  83. Xishem
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    But it's impossible to create a completely closed system.

  84. anonymous
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    i was reffering to law 1 of motion i think i forgot

  85. anonymous
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    its one of them :P

  86. anonymous
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    closed system infinite earth i would agree infinite energy

  87. anonymous
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    but world going to end who know when (not in my time of course)

  88. anonymous
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    lol this question became such an attraction

  89. anonymous
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    well i gtg now nice talking to you every1 :D

  90. anonymous
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    mth3v4, I have gone over Newtons laws, and I cant seem to find the one you are refering to...

  91. anonymous
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    Isee, well perhaps we can discuss this later :/

  92. anonymous
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    There was a interesting question that this question reminds me of, "Given an infinite number of monkeys and an infinite amount of time, would one of them write Hamlet?"

  93. Xishem
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    With no typewriters, of course not.

  94. anonymous
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    Indeed, and I suppose the correct answer would be yes (if they did have typewriters), It's just that it would take "forever".

  95. Xishem
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    Hell, one monkey given a typewriter and infinite time would write Hamlet.

  96. anonymous
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    Yes this is actually http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem

  97. anonymous
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    Now the question is, would it take a shorter time if there is one monkey? Or a longer time if there were many?

  98. Xishem
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    Well, if you have two monkeys whacking away at it, you would get the result you wanted, on average, twice as fast.

  99. anonymous
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    But as the article says, there is a 1in15 625 000 000 chance to type the word "banana"

  100. anonymous
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    I shudder to think of the chance to type one of Shakespeare's works.

  101. Xishem
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    The probability to get Hamlet right the first time is:\[3.4 × 10^{183,946}\]Incredible.

  102. anonymous
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    I guess we will be waiting a while then.

  103. Xishem
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    What about this: Would one monkey with a typewriter, typing at an infinite speed, for an infinitesimally small amount of time be able to do it?

  104. anonymous
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    yes sure, given an *infinite* time anything is possible

  105. anonymous
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    Well, the chances of the typewriter surviving that encounter...

  106. Xishem
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    Anything? What about a state of the universe that cannot exist?

  107. anonymous
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    Well, now you are proposing something more philosophical. I don't believe either of us will be able to answer that one.

  108. Xishem
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    For instance, some state of the universe where a different amount of matter and energy exist compared to this state.

  109. anonymous
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    Go on?

  110. Xishem
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    Given no amount of time (even infinite), that state of the universe is not possible.

  111. anonymous
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    So, you're saying if some matter and energy just vanished? Indeed. perhaps that wouldn't be possible

  112. Xishem
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    It is, however, possible that I'm ranting with little-to-no cognizance of anything, as it's 3AM here.

  113. anonymous
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    But we are working unknown values. We cannot draw a logical and solid end from this.

  114. anonymous
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    Aye, and it's about time I returned to my studies. I should go.

  115. anonymous
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    Perhaps we can discuss infinite values another time. I bid all of ye farewell.

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