anonymous
  • anonymous
If CPUs were infinitely fast, and we had infinitely fast and infinitely large memory, would we benefit from optimization?
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anonymous
  • anonymous
So you're talking about the point that computers pass us? What's that called again, (trying to think)
anonymous
  • anonymous
The technological singularity?
anonymous
  • anonymous
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

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anonymous
  • anonymous
There you go
dumbcow
  • dumbcow
if you had a infinite amount of money, would you benefit from managing your money ??
anonymous
  • anonymous
@dumbcow maybe not
anonymous
  • anonymous
Ohh, good one dumbcow (I always feel uncomfortable typing your name btw) ;)
dumbcow
  • dumbcow
isn't the point of optimization is to maximize limited resources....therefore optimization is obsolete with infinite resources...in my opinion
anonymous
  • anonymous
So, theoretically, optimization is the maximization of infinite resources, correct? Thus would be unnecessary in your scenario
anonymous
  • anonymous
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/PPTMooresLawai.jpg
anonymous
  • anonymous
haha, beat me to it dumbcow
anonymous
  • anonymous
Is there any resource on earth that's infinite?
anonymous
  • anonymous
no
anonymous
  • anonymous
nothing on earth is infinite if the earth itself will have a set limit of existence itself...
anonymous
  • anonymous
What about software that can be infinitely copied/reused with no sort of degredation, or even ideas?
Xishem
  • Xishem
Well, given that a resource must take up some sort of space, an infinite resource would take up infinite volume.
anonymous
  • anonymous
so, does a resource have to be tangible then?
Xishem
  • Xishem
Not necessarily. I feel that all resources take up some sort of "space", whether that space is volume or not. Let me try to rephrase.
anonymous
  • anonymous
software and ideas certainly do take space
anonymous
  • anonymous
i was referin to material of course
anonymous
  • anonymous
Ideas? How so? @agdg
Xishem
  • Xishem
Well, ideas can be stored in a few places: neurons, text, etc. But none of these is infinite.
anonymous
  • anonymous
@cshalvey don't they occupy minds? Don't minds have limited storage? I think the mind is a little different though...
Xishem
  • Xishem
An idea can exist without being stored in any of those places, but if it's not stored in any one of those places, does it actually exist? Since no one knows the idea?
anonymous
  • anonymous
right, the mind is absurdly hard to quantify - we have estimates, but no real hard data, ie GB of storage for instance
anonymous
  • anonymous
Interesting Xishem...
anonymous
  • anonymous
an idea can be used :P
anonymous
  • anonymous
without many thought to it
anonymous
  • anonymous
Also, if I have an idea, and I forget - does that idea necessarily cease to exist?
Xishem
  • Xishem
Crazy... I wonder if it's stored somewhere in the folds of your brain in some neurons somewhere that you just can't access.
anonymous
  • anonymous
Philosophy on the Math group :-D
Xishem
  • Xishem
Or I wonder if it's possible to completely erase an idea or thought from your mind?
anonymous
  • anonymous
i think it has more to do with psychology :P
anonymous
  • anonymous
I think so Xishem - for instance studies on dreams, etc are more puzzling than helpful
anonymous
  • anonymous
if you are talking about the mind
anonymous
  • anonymous
Also deja vu
anonymous
  • anonymous
deja vu :-D
anonymous
  • anonymous
Imma gonna give this question a medal - off topic be damned ;)
anonymous
  • anonymous
I thought deja vu was simply a glitch in your memory function or something...
anonymous
  • anonymous
True, but it's also rooted a lot in memory they've found. Which is weird - because it's forward focused (present experiences 'remembered')
Xishem
  • Xishem
I'd be interested to see how you could affect certain memories that are stored in the brain. For instance, if you (physically) removed a neuron from a neuron group for a given memory, how would it affect that memory? Would it be like corrupted files on a computer, where they just couldn't be read, or would some completely unrelated memory take its place?
anonymous
  • anonymous
I think it's more organic than that - the concept of 'relearning' how to walk for instance - neurons regrow in new paths...
anonymous
  • anonymous
And then there's actual memory loss - amnesia - which spontaneously can go away, or never go away
Xishem
  • Xishem
Like if you pull the last bit off of 1011, it changes from 11 to 5. cshalvey: Hmm, possibly. It'd be interesting to see how different memory groups relate to eachother.
anonymous
  • anonymous
memory loss is actually caused by the brain becoming smoother
anonymous
  • anonymous
less wrinkly
anonymous
  • anonymous
right, a degradation right?
anonymous
  • anonymous
mhm
anonymous
  • anonymous
humans are different would be different computers where humans can relearn things humans can forget things and remember again computers they hold things in for a terminally if they break ( they are doomed forever until fixed)
Xishem
  • Xishem
That's just because the system that humans use to find data is... primitive compared to computers.
anonymous
  • anonymous
well, this was fun everyone - but I'm off to bed - knackered great question adgd, interesting convo mth, Xishem, dumbcow
anonymous
  • anonymous
k bb gngn
anonymous
  • anonymous
lol with so many ppl answering i felt like i did something wrong
anonymous
  • anonymous
A quick responce to the question "what is infinite on earth?" Data.
anonymous
  • anonymous
.....
Xishem
  • Xishem
That's a pretty broad term. Specify?
anonymous
  • anonymous
Or was that already said? :/
anonymous
  • anonymous
Well, if you think about it, everything around us is made up of data. Specificaly atoms and cells.
Xishem
  • Xishem
So are there infinite atoms and cells?
anonymous
  • anonymous
Technically... yes. Untill we find a limit to space, and time. :|
Xishem
  • Xishem
We haven't NOT found a limit. I don't think you can automatically assume that space and time are infinite.
anonymous
  • anonymous
And then there is Pi (\[\pi\]). Which to my current understanding is infinite. Thereby providing infinite data.
anonymous
  • anonymous
Ah! And Energy is also infinite.
anonymous
  • anonymous
isn't the concept of infinite and infinitesimal relative?
anonymous
  • anonymous
lol numbers
Xishem
  • Xishem
Just because pi has an infinite number of digits doesn't mean all of those digits are stored somewhere. Pi is only an abstraction humans have made for the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter. It has no meaning.
anonymous
  • anonymous
energy is not infinite
anonymous
  • anonymous
mth3v4, Energy cannot be created or destroyed. So in theory, we will never gain more, or lose any. Doesn't that make it infinite?
anonymous
  • anonymous
I am talking in reference to the physical world. Imagine a creature so small lets say made up of just an element or nearly an element's size wouldn't the term infinitesimal and infinite have different meaning for the creature.
anonymous
  • anonymous
according to the laws of newton not so
anonymous
  • anonymous
it is not a matter of destroying or not destroying
Xishem
  • Xishem
The energy will be around for an infinite amount of time, but you don't have infinite energy.
anonymous
  • anonymous
@Xishern, I understand that it's nothing more than a numeric value, I am just trying to think of concepts that are infinite.
Xishem
  • Xishem
If you have 5 everlasting dollar bills, you still can't pay for something that costs $10.
anonymous
  • anonymous
mth3v4, Can you please explain?
anonymous
  • anonymous
i am not reffering to conservation of energy
Xishem
  • Xishem
Energy would be infinite resource, certainly.
Xishem
  • Xishem
*an infinite resource
Xishem
  • Xishem
However, it's not infinite on Earth.
anonymous
  • anonymous
True.
Xishem
  • Xishem
Well, actually, assume that Earth were a closed system (which it's not). No energy can escape, so therefore, you could continue using the energy over and over, yes?
anonymous
  • anonymous
Correct.
Xishem
  • Xishem
But it's impossible to create a completely closed system.
anonymous
  • anonymous
i was reffering to law 1 of motion i think i forgot
anonymous
  • anonymous
its one of them :P
anonymous
  • anonymous
closed system infinite earth i would agree infinite energy
anonymous
  • anonymous
but world going to end who know when (not in my time of course)
anonymous
  • anonymous
lol this question became such an attraction
anonymous
  • anonymous
well i gtg now nice talking to you every1 :D
anonymous
  • anonymous
mth3v4, I have gone over Newtons laws, and I cant seem to find the one you are refering to...
anonymous
  • anonymous
Isee, well perhaps we can discuss this later :/
anonymous
  • anonymous
There was a interesting question that this question reminds me of, "Given an infinite number of monkeys and an infinite amount of time, would one of them write Hamlet?"
Xishem
  • Xishem
With no typewriters, of course not.
anonymous
  • anonymous
Indeed, and I suppose the correct answer would be yes (if they did have typewriters), It's just that it would take "forever".
Xishem
  • Xishem
Hell, one monkey given a typewriter and infinite time would write Hamlet.
anonymous
  • anonymous
Yes this is actually http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem
anonymous
  • anonymous
Now the question is, would it take a shorter time if there is one monkey? Or a longer time if there were many?
Xishem
  • Xishem
Well, if you have two monkeys whacking away at it, you would get the result you wanted, on average, twice as fast.
anonymous
  • anonymous
But as the article says, there is a 1in15 625 000 000 chance to type the word "banana"
anonymous
  • anonymous
I shudder to think of the chance to type one of Shakespeare's works.
Xishem
  • Xishem
The probability to get Hamlet right the first time is:\[3.4 × 10^{183,946}\]Incredible.
anonymous
  • anonymous
I guess we will be waiting a while then.
Xishem
  • Xishem
What about this: Would one monkey with a typewriter, typing at an infinite speed, for an infinitesimally small amount of time be able to do it?
anonymous
  • anonymous
yes sure, given an *infinite* time anything is possible
anonymous
  • anonymous
Well, the chances of the typewriter surviving that encounter...
Xishem
  • Xishem
Anything? What about a state of the universe that cannot exist?
anonymous
  • anonymous
Well, now you are proposing something more philosophical. I don't believe either of us will be able to answer that one.
Xishem
  • Xishem
For instance, some state of the universe where a different amount of matter and energy exist compared to this state.
anonymous
  • anonymous
Go on?
Xishem
  • Xishem
Given no amount of time (even infinite), that state of the universe is not possible.
anonymous
  • anonymous
So, you're saying if some matter and energy just vanished? Indeed. perhaps that wouldn't be possible
Xishem
  • Xishem
It is, however, possible that I'm ranting with little-to-no cognizance of anything, as it's 3AM here.
anonymous
  • anonymous
But we are working unknown values. We cannot draw a logical and solid end from this.
anonymous
  • anonymous
Aye, and it's about time I returned to my studies. I should go.
anonymous
  • anonymous
Perhaps we can discuss infinite values another time. I bid all of ye farewell.

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