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Pippa
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Can someone explain how we use an integral to find the area?
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Pippa Group Title
Can someone explain how we use an integral to find the area?
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dw:1327896377720:dw
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shaan_iitk Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
This is a circle or a sphere?
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Pippa Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
It is a circle
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Pippa Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I knwo the steps but I dont get what i am doing
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shaan_iitk Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Where is the trouble? ..also is any information given regarding this chord? .. what angle it suspends .. and is the width of the chord comparable to the radius?
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Pippa Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
nooo just show some arrows and a h
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Have you discussed polar integration yet? I doubt it, but just to be sure.... .
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Pippa Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
like the book used pythagorean theroem in the begginning. in order to get the equation of the integral
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Pippa Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I guess everybody fell asleep at the comp like me _
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
No, but it seems rivermaker is typing a very length reply, so I was waiting to see ;)
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Pippa Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
hehe I was just teasing :D
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
river are you still going, or is it saying you're typing by mistake?? haha
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rivermaker Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
dw:1327897236799:dw Let us take any function y = f(x) THe area under the curve y = f(x) is the sum of rectangular strips (like one shown near rhe middle of the picture) if you assume the coordinates of the strip as \[(x_{0}, 0), (x_{0}, y_{0}), (x_{1}, y_{1}), (x_{1},0) \] then the area of the strip is approximated by \[y_{0} \times (x_{1}  x_{0}) \] So the area under the curve is the sum of such strips \[\sum_{x=a}^{x=b}f(x) \Delta x, \] where \[\Delta x \] is the width of the strip at \[x\] Going to the limit as \[\Delta x \rightarrow 0, \] we get the area as \[\int\limits_{a}^{b} f(x) dx\]
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Mmm. That's kinda true, but not in this instance, unfortunately. It doesn't work quite like that.
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Integrating over the area enclosed by a circle is a little bit more complicated for several reasons. Pippa, what level of calculus are you in, and what have you been learning recently? Trig substitutions, for instance?
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Pippa Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
yes i know trig subsitutions
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Pippa Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I am in calc 2
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rivermaker Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
For a circle use the fact that the area of the circle is 4 times the area of one quadrant; if you know the equation for a circle  recast it in the form y = f(x) It should be a quadratic (degree 2) in x Integrating that should give you the answer as jemurray3 said some trig substitution will be needed to do the integration
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rivermaker Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Since I am from India, calc 2 does not exactly translate :) I am trying to give just enough pointers so that you can still figure out and learn. DO ask for more details if needed
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Pippa Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Thanks rivermaker for ur time XD
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@River, for reference, our Calculus II curriculum includes more advanced substitution methods, integrating volumes of rotation using techniques like the disk method, and basic work in infinite series, convergence, and improper integrals. @Pippa give that a shot, and if you need anything further then say so. The trig substitution is critical.
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Pippa Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ya ok will do :D
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shaan_iitk Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@pippa .. area of the segment you have mentioned would depend on how far the chord is from the center @jemurray and river: mathematics world over remains the same. Its not that if you in India then 2+2 becomes 5. Its upto individuals to make or break their skill.
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
shaan, in U.S. universities we have a standard calculus sequence, Calculus I, II, and III. I was just clarifying what material is covered in most Calculus II courses.
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shaan_iitk Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@Jemurray3: I understand. We also have the same sequence of teaching. That is what I was trying to clarify. Its not USA or India or even say Iran. You go to IRAN and even there you would find course structure more or less similar. Its upto individuals how good they are. MIT doesn't make you intelligent, is the intelligent people who reach MIT.
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shaan_iitk Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
nopes I am not Ishaan
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I wouldn't necessarily say that, though. Not all smart people reach MIT or other top schools simply because they can only accept so many people. Furthermore, the teaching at MIT is in many cases far superior and more enriching than at other institutions. That's not to say you can't get a fantastic education anywhere else, but the top is the top for a reason :)
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Pippa Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
hehe Jeymurray is correct
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shaan_iitk Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@Pippa .. you don't need polar integration for this.. Assume that the outer chord of the segment (the one with width delta h) suspends an angle (\[\theta + d \theta\] at the center. Also assume that the inner chord of the segment suspends an angle \[\theta\] . In this case you would have r*(d\[\theta\]) = h. Now area of any segment of a circle with angle \[\alpha\] is = r^2 *\[\alpha\]/(2pie) .. Area of the segment would be (area enclosed by the outer chord  area enclosed by the lower chord) = (r*\[\Delta h\])/(2*pie) .. I hope I am clear..
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Pippa Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I havent learnt this method yet
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shaan_iitk Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Its basic school stuff .. have you had any exposure to calculus?
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Pippa Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
hehe idk I am taking skewl online
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Pippa Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
so like I am missing basic knowledge
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Trying my hardest to teach everything to myself
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Pippa Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
At some points i just snap. LIke now my brain is fried
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Thanks for ur help I really appreciate it
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Pippa Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
lol I get it now hehe
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Pippa Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I am so excited :D
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