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adnanchowdhury Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
How do you solve it?
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adnanchowdhury Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
how do i integrate: \[π \int\limits_{0}^{6} (y ^{2}/12 +1)^{2} dy\]
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bahrom7893 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Rotate the rectangle first, then rotate the parabola itself, find individual volumes then subtract the volume of the solid generated by the parabola from the solid generated by the rectangle
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bahrom7893 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
and for that integral, just multiply it out.
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bahrom7893 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
And then integrate term by term that will make your life easy.
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bahrom7893 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
actually finding the vol of the solid generated by the rectangle is easy.
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adnanchowdhury Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I've been taught to integrate like this when the limits are on the y axis: \[\int\limits_{a}^{b} π x ^{2} dy\]
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bahrom7893 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
It generates a cylinder with radius 6 and height 4
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bahrom7893 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Yea but you don't really have to do that for the solid generated by the rectangle. If you rotate it around it generates a cylinder.
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adnanchowdhury Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
What rectangle are you referring to?
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bahrom7893 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Imagine a line passing through (4,6) and (4,0)
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bahrom7893 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
that will form a rectangle right? with the line y = 6, x = 4, and x and y axes
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adnanchowdhury Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yes, i see. But what do you after that?
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
you can do this with disk or shell method. Do you know both?dw:1329324049040:dw
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bahrom7893 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
So find the volume of the solid generated by that rectangle  it will be a cylinder
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adnanchowdhury Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I haven't heard of the 'disk' or 'shell' method?
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adnanchowdhury Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
What do i do after working out the vol. of solid rectangle?
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bahrom7893 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Find the volume generated by revolving the following area and then subtract it from the vol of the cylinder.
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bahrom7893 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
dw:1328460177913:dw
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adnanchowdhury Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
How would you integrate this? http://d.pr/2Eo2
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bahrom7893 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Just expand and then integrate term by term, it's not hard.
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adnanchowdhury Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
without expanding? Like chain rule?
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bahrom7893 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
I'm not sure if you can. Does the question force you to integrate without expanding?
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adnanchowdhury Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
no but that is one technique i have to learn.
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
your formula is for a revolution about y, so it's not right
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bahrom7893 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
no that's a diff question
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yeah bahrom is right i'm pretty sure the only way to integrate that is by expanding it
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
that is the only way i see anyways
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bahrom7893 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
I mean it's not usub, and I don't recognize any inverse formulas.. inverse tan won't work
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bahrom7893 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
and integration by parts is gonna give u a horrible mess
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
...but this integral is not supposed to represent the area in the above problem? separate Q you say?
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
it is not so nasty to expand this it is the easiest method to expand
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bahrom7893 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Yea turing, it's separate
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bahrom7893 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
I think expanding is the only way.
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adnanchowdhury Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Basicallly, I ended up with this integral, by rearranging the given equation to make x the subject. Then substituting into this: http://d.pr/PR8z
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adnanchowdhury Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
The final answer is suppose to be 90π.
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
so it is supposed to be the same problem
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
...which means the integral is wrong
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bahrom7893 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
No, there are two diff problems here as far as i can tell, the integral is a completely diff question
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
No ,they just said they got the integral by subbing in for y, but they are integrating on the wrong axis with the wrong method
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adnanchowdhury Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
That is the formula i am given in the book for integrating on the yaxis. So, i can't be integrating on the wrong axis.
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\[2\pi\int_{0}^{6}y(\frac{y^2}{12}+1)dy\] is shell method, which is how I would do it
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
\[\pi \int\limits_{0}^{6}(\frac{y^4}{144}+\frac{y^2}{6}+1) dy=\pi(\frac{y^5}{5 \cdot 144}+\frac{y^3}{3 \cdot 6}+y)_0^6\] \[=\pi(\frac{6^5}{5 \cdot 144}+\frac{6^3}{3 \cdot 6}+6)=\pi(\frac{6^4 \cdot 6}{5 \cdot 144}+\frac{6^2}{3}+6)\] \[=\pi(\frac{6^4 }{5 \cdot 24}+\frac{ 6 \cdot 6}{3}+6)=\pi(\frac{6^4}{5 \cdot 24} +6(2)+6)\] \[=\pi(\frac{6 \cdot 6^3}{5 \cdot 24}+12+6)=\pi(\frac{6^3}{5 \cdot 4}+18)\] \[=\pi(\frac{6 \cdot 6^2}{5 \cdot 4}+18)=\pi(\frac{3 \cdot 6^2}{5 \cdot 2}+18)\] \[=\pi(\frac{3 \cdot 36}{10}+18)=\pi(\frac{12 \cdot 9}{10}+18)=\pi(\frac{108}{10}+18)\] so this is the same problem or different? lol i don't know anymore by the way getting the answer is hard without a calculator as you can see
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
shell method:dw:1329325465495:dwLook at the radius of each cylinder( y) and the height of each cylinder (x(y)) and we get\[2\pi\int_{0}^{6}rhdr=2\pi\int_{0}^{6}y(\frac{y^2}{12}+1)=90\pi\]
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bahrom7893 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
oh wait so it was this question?
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
I am integrating along y because I used shell method, disk method would be a pain here because we would need two integrals
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adnanchowdhury Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@myininaya did it right. I think you used the same method as me, but you expanded x^2 in the beginning? @bahrom7893 yes
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adnanchowdhury Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I'm still quite confused about the shell method.
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
myin did the integral right, but it is not a solid about the xaxis
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adnanchowdhury Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Yes it is. ?
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
no, hers are disks about the yaxis
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
dw:1329325925783:dwlike this but centered on the yaxis
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
area of each disk is pi*r^2, but if r is x(y) we are going around the yaxis
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adnanchowdhury Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Oh I see.
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adnanchowdhury Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
This is rotation 360 degree about yaxis?
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
if you want shell method for your integral it can be done, but you will need to split the integral in two, or subtract the second area as bahrom did disks of radius y(x)=6 between 0<x<1 rings of inner radius y(x)=sqrt(12x1) and outer radius y=6 between 1<x<6
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adnanchowdhury Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Ok, let me try.
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adnanchowdhury Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Yes! I got it. I did what bahrom7893 told me to do. Find volume of cylinder made by rectange on this graph. Then subtact it by the volume between where the line cross xaxis and where the rectangle ends (at x =4).
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
that'll work :D
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Shell method\[2\pi\int_{0}^{6}y(\frac{y^2}{12}+1)dy\]Disk method (my way):\[\pi\int_{0}^{1}6^2dx+\pi\int_{1}^{6}6^2(\sqrt{12(x1)})^2dx\]Disk method bahrom's way\[\pi\int_{0}^{6}6^2dx\pi\int_{1}^{6}(\sqrt{12(x1)})^2dx\]all should give the same answer. Try to think about the difference in the concept of each formula if you can, that will broaden your understanding.
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