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hosein

  • 2 years ago

please solve this : find eigen value & eigen vector of opration Sy

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  1. hosein
    • 2 years ago
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    \[S _{y}\] is y component of s & s is spin.solve it in two dimension

  2. hosein
    • 2 years ago
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    i know what do that. but final answer has not matched with text

  3. opiesche
    • 2 years ago
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    I was going to just take a wild guess, but really, I have no idea :P

  4. JamesJ
    • 2 years ago
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    First, can you write out \( S_y \) explicitly?

  5. hosein
    • 2 years ago
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    your goal is operation of Sy ? in matrix definition Sy is two dimensional matrix do you know or write it?

  6. JamesJ
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    Whatever it is, write it out explicitly.

  7. hosein
    • 2 years ago
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    Sy= \[\left[\begin{matrix}h'/2 & -ih'/2 \\ih'/2 & h'/2\end{matrix}\right]\] h'=h/2pi

  8. hosein
    • 2 years ago
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    is operation

  9. JamesJ
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    Ok, so you need to find first the eigenvalues of the matrix. I.e., solve the equation, \[ \det(S_y - \lambda I_2) = 0 \] for \( \lambda \).

  10. hosein
    • 2 years ago
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    yes know this but final answer don't match with text

  11. JamesJ
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    What did you find for eigenvalues?

  12. JamesJ
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    I have from that definition of Sy, that the eigenvalues are 0 and h'

  13. hosein
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    eigen value is match eigenvector... i didn't find

  14. JamesJ
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    I'm having a very hard time understanding what you're saying. But first do you agree with these eigenvalues. If so, the next step is to find the null space corresponding to each eigenvalue of \[ S_y - \lambda I_2 \]

  15. JamesJ
    • 2 years ago
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    For example, for \( \lambda = 0 \), the null space is one dimensional and has as a basis vector v = (1,i)^t

  16. JamesJ
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    that's an eigenvector corresponding to eigenvalue of zero. Now find the other null space and the eigenvector corresponding to the eigenvalue of \( \lambda = h' \).

  17. hosein
    • 2 years ago
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    your eigenvalues is zero?

  18. hosein
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    eigenvalue is +h'/2&-h'/2

  19. JamesJ
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    One of the eigenvalues is zero, because the characteristic equation is \[ \lambda^2 - h' \lambda = 0 \]

  20. hosein
    • 2 years ago
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    no eigenvalue is +h'/2&-h'/2. see this: 4.29 part a

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  21. hosein
    • 2 years ago
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    this book is solution of Introduction to quantum mechanics by david.-j griffiths

  22. JamesJ
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    You gave the wrong \( S_y \). Notice the matrix in the book has zeros along the diagonal, unlike the matrix you typed above.

  23. hosein
    • 2 years ago
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    compare your Sy with mine

  24. JamesJ
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  25. hosein
    • 2 years ago
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    so...

  26. JamesJ
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    Hence, yes, with the \( S_y \) given in the solutions, the eigenvalues are exactly \( \lambda = \pm h'/2 \). Anyway, I've sure you've figured out the problem by now.

  27. hosein
    • 2 years ago
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    eigenvalue is ok thanx,now eigenvectors

  28. JamesJ
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    The general procedure to find eigenvectors you follow this procedure: The eigenvectors corresponding to an eigenvalue \( \lambda_j \) are vectors \( v \) such that \[ ( S_y - \lambda_jI_2 )v = 0 \] That is, you are looking for vectors \( v \) that lie in the null space of the matrix \[ S_y - \lambda_jI_2 \] So for each eigenvector, look at that matrix and find the null space. That's where the eigenvectors come from in the solution.

  29. hosein
    • 2 years ago
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    i knew method but final answer don't matched can you give me details of solution ?

  30. JamesJ
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    For example, for \( \lambda = h'/2 \), the matrix \[ S_y - \lambda I = \frac{h'}{2} \left( \begin{matrix} 1 & -i \\ i & -1 \end{matrix} \right) \] which has a null space spanned by the vector \( (i,1)^t \). If you want to normalize that vector, then you have \[ \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} { i \choose 1 } \] Now repeat that process for the other eigenvector. The procedure in the solutions isn't standard, but obviously it's not wrong.

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