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keketsu
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Would someone work through the derivative for this:
(xy)^x = e
Thanks.
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keketsu Group Title
Would someone work through the derivative for this: (xy)^x = e Thanks.
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
logarithmic differentaition you want dy/dx I assume?
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keketsu Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
yeah, please
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\[(xy)^x=e\]\[x\ln(xy)=1\]\[x(\ln x+\ln y)=1\]taking the derivative gives\[\ln x+\ln y+x(\frac1x+\frac{y'}y)=0\]\[\ln(xy)+1+\frac xyy'=0\]\[y'=\frac yx(\ln(xy)+1)\]now note that\[y=\frac{e^{1/x}}x\]so we get\[y'=\frac{e^{1/x}}{x^2}(\ln(e^{1/x})+1)\]\[y'=\frac{e^{1/x}}{x^2}(\frac1x+1)\]
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keketsu Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Wow, TuringTest, you're a wizard. Thanks. You've got two y derivatives then? Both would provide the same answer?
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
what do you mean two y derivatives?
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keketsu Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
At the point you say "now note that," are you continuing to simplify, or approaching the problem in another way? I'm guessing by your response it's the first.
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
oh I just subbed in for y there... before that point the answer is still in terms of y. I assumed you wanted it all in terms of x, so I used the initial prompt to get y in terms of x\[(xy)^x=e\to xy=e^{1/x}\to y=\frac{e^{1/x}}x\]then I subbed that in
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keketsu Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Gotcha. I see it. And an even simpler questionhow'd you take that first step? What identity did you use to get \[xln(xy)=1\]?
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keketsu Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
I can see log x^c = c log x, but I'm confused about the e on the other side of the equation.
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\[\ln e=1\]because that's the base of the logarithm
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\[\log_aa=1\]in this case we have\[\ln e=\log_ee=1\]
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
if you don't remember that\[\large \log_aa=1\]you may want to review logarithms
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keketsu Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Haha, seriously. I'm attempting to take a comprehensive test over math I haven't studied in years. I have a reference manual with formulas and identities. When something isn't in there, I get a bit stuck. Not the optimal way to learn. But I appreciate you breaking this one down so thoroughly. Much appreciated.
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keketsu Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
That is actually listed in my reference book. But I'm missing how you applied it. You didn't bring the e over ...
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
so you agree that \[\log_aa=1\]right?
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
well the natural logarithm is just log base e\[\huge\ln e=\log_ee=1\]
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
(I just made that big to see the subscripts, sorry if it looks 'loud')
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keketsu Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
No, I'm with you, I'm just missing how you apply that. If you take the left hand of the equation, using the following seems to work out the left side alone: \[\log x^c = c \log x\] How does the identity you're listing essentially turn e into 1?
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
I'm not sure I see the exact problem you're having do you now agree that\[\ln e=1\]or are you still doubtful?
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keketsu Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Ugh, I see it. You're applying ln to both sides. For some reason I was thinking the lefthand ln was coming from somewhere else. Got it! Thanks!
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\[\large (xy)^x=e\]taking the natural log of both sides gives\[\ln(xy^x)=\ln e\]ah figured it out in the middle, good thanks for asking questions on what you didn't understand, that's a good thing you're welcome :D
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keketsu Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Ha, you bet. Many thanks for walking me through that.
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keketsu Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
And go Chivas!
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
lol right on!
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