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across

  • 2 years ago

\[\begin{align} x^1+y^1+z^1&=0\\ x^3+y^3+z^3&=3\\ x^5+y^5+z^5&=15\\\\ x^2+y^2+z^2&=\text{?} \end{align}\]

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  1. AsianDuck
    • 2 years ago
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    (x+y+z)(x+y+z) = 0 -> x^2 + y^2 + z^2 + 2xy + 2xz + 2yz = 0 -> x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = -2(xy + xz + yz) Is this even in the right direction?

  2. Mr.Math
    • 2 years ago
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    \(6\), I think.

  3. AsianDuck
    • 2 years ago
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    Working?

  4. across
    • 2 years ago
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    Mr. Math, how did you get that number?

  5. Mr.Math
    • 2 years ago
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    As Asian started \(x^2+y^2+z^2=-2(xy+xz+yz)\) \((a)\) We have from the first and the second equation that \(x^3+y^3-(x+y)^3=3\) \( \implies x^2y+xy^2=-1\), and by symmetry we also have \(x^2z+zx^2=-1\) and \(y^2z+yz^2=-1\). We can also write \[(x^2+y^2+z^2)(x^3+y^3+z^3)=3(x^2+y^2+z^2)\] \[(x^5+y^5+z^5)+xy(xy^2+yx^2)+xz(xz^2+zx^2)+yz(yz^2+zy^2)\] \(\implies 3(x^2+y^2+z^2)=15-(xy+xz+yz)\) \((b)\) By solving (a) and (b), it's easy to find \(x^2+y^2+z^2=6\).

  6. apoorvk
    • 2 years ago
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    is MrM. right across?? cause i seem to be getting '4'??

  7. apoorvk
    • 2 years ago
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    i 'll recheck, i can make a lot of calculating errors. :

  8. Mr.Math
    • 2 years ago
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    I will recheck too! :)

  9. Mr.Math
    • 2 years ago
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    There's a missing equal sign there. It should be \[(x^2+y^2+z^2)(x^3+y^3+z^3)=3(x^2+y^2+z^2)\] \(=(x^5+y^5+z^5)+xy(xy^2+yx^2)+xz(xz^2+zx^2)+yz(yz^2+zy^2)\).

  10. across
    • 2 years ago
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    Mr. Math is right. :) This can be solved using Newton's identities*. Since \(x+y+z=0\), they are the roots of \(t^3+at-b=0\). Newton's identities say that\[x^3+y^3+z^3=3b\]\[x^4+y^4+z^4=2a^2\]and\[x^2+y^2+z^2=-2a\]This implies that \(b=1\) and \(2a^2=15\). It is then possible to solve for \(a\) and find the value of \(x^2+y^2+z^2=-2a\). Note that \(x^3+y^3+z^3=3b\) was not necessary. Mr. Math's approach is a pedestrian way of achieving this, however. * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_identities

  11. Mr.Math
    • 2 years ago
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    I don't know Newton's identities, I will read the link you gave. Nice problem by the way :)

  12. apoorvk
    • 2 years ago
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    whoa...i did a very stupid mistake towards the end :/ and now realise that the answer should have been somewhat symmetric (as in a multiple of 3 or some way), 4 would be pretty odd. Nice problem @across, had no clue about "newton's identities" will read that. and @Mr.Math , thanks for doing it before me, and posting the solution!!!!! :))

  13. FoolForMath
    • 2 years ago
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    For Newton Identities this (http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Resources/Papers/PolynomialsAK.pdf) is a good reference.

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