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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
using matrices dw:1333988132875:dw
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
since A"=0 can qe use KRONECKERCAPELLI THEOREM i did smth like dw:1333988210313:dw
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
dw:1333988330791:dw but latter using gauss i got dw:1333988378631:dw
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
did i do smth wrong?? dw:1333988426922:dw
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
seems like the first and the last plane are parallel.
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
which???? show me please
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
when ever two planes are parallel, they do not have solution.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
first and the last.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
and two planes will give you infinite solution.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
a line to be exact.
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
wht will b the soluyions??? can u find them Experiment?
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
solutions****
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eliassaab Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
k=1, the last equation will be 2 times the first one The solutions lie on the line of intersections of the last two plane.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
you will have infinite solutions, substitute z from second and third.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
that will be a line, and line has infinite points. even if the first and the last line were not parallel, you were going to have infinite solution, because 4 variables and 3 equations> that usually ends up that way.
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
noo..k is a costant
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
because you are free to choose any value of k, ... and for particular value of k, you will have particular solution.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
your solution WOULD have been in terms of k (that what i meant by infinite).
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
lemme think a lil bit please
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
tht's wht i did by using Kronekercapelli....but the prob is that i get 0+0+0=2 at the last equation.... maybe i am being too dumb but i am really not getting it
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
says that A must have same rank as [Ab]
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
use google translate http://lavica.fesb.hr/mat1/predavanja/node38.html
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yes...since r(A)=2 r(Ab) must be 2 too right
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
A has rank 2 i guess
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
what language is that Experiment??? O.o
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
it has rank two ... checked from soft. Croatian ... i don't understand too. i used google to translate.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
can you tell me what is [Ab] ??
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
r(Ab)=44k at least tht's wht i found
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
dw:1333989679050:dw
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
r u getting anything?
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Nop .. I am not really quite into mathematics ... I am just experimental
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
hmmm.....ok...:) Thanks anyway :D I appreciate it :))
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
i couldn't understand what does [Ab] represent.
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Ab is the matrice formed by the constants before variables and the solutions dw:1333990018496:dw
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
not soultions sorry..they r not called solutions..I'm just not finding the right word _
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
oh .. yeah i remember doingnthat (thanks to you). let's see what can i do for any arbitrary value .
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@hoblos any idea???
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
for k=5, we get rank 3
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
okay i will check this value from 1000 to 1000
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
no actually u get rang 3 for every k different from 1
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
it seems that we get rank 2 for k = 1
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
oh wait...did i go wrong by equaling 44k=2?????????? O.o...i think i shouldn't have done that
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
I think i understand what's going on.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
LOL ... this is quite funny.
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FoolForMath Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I have never heard of KRONECKERCAPELLI THEOREM.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
it's amazing to know that @ffm does not know something. http://lavica.fesb.hr/mat1/predavanja/node38.html
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
my google doesn't translate tht _
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eliassaab Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\[ x = \frac 3 2 z \quad y = \frac 1 2 \] z can be any number
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
use translate feature of chrome.
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Can u show me how u got that please @eliassaab ???
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eliassaab Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
write x + y = 2  z 2 x + 2 y = 2 z  2 and solve the two equations with repect to x and y
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hoblos Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
dw:1333990759995:dw this can be reduced to dw:1333990839175:dw to find solutions.. r(A) must be same as r(AB) so 2+2k=0 > k=1 thus 2y=1 > y=1/2 x1/2 + z = 1 x+z = 3/2
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eliassaab Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
x + y = 2  z x + y = z  1 add the two equation to get y=1/2 and then find x
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hoblos Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
sorry... instead of (22k) it is (2+2k)
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
But Hoblos don't u get dw:1333991218301:dw
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i got 22k O.o cause i tried this too
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hoblos Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
mm i cant see the whole drawing!! always different from what?
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
u know what....take the system and try solving it urself and ignore everything i've said
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hoblos Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
it must be equals to zero in order to have solutions!
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
for other values of k other than 1, we will have two parallel planes and one non parallel. means two lines. for k=1, we have first plane = last pane, so we will have one line (I think this is what the theorem is trying to tell .... I did not understand anything)
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i think the solutions r depended on k for k=1 are the soluions tht u find wht abt for kdifferent from 1?/
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FoolForMath Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Can't we use the rank method?
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hoblos Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
for k different than 1 we dont have solutions..
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
@hoblos it's 1 i think
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
tht's wht we're doing Fool...Kroneckercapelli :P u don't have solutions??? how??????
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eliassaab Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
If \[ k\ne 1 \], there is no solutions. If \[ k= 1 \], there are infinite number of solutions that I listed before,
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hoblos Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
why would it be 1 @experimentX ??!!
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FoolForMath Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Oh god! I only didn't knew the name
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@FoolForMath tht makes Anxhela happy :) now start solving it....I'm going crazyyyy!!!!!!!!! :P
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
because when k=1, we will have two lines ... for system of three planes.
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FoolForMath Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
But then I am not a Russian :P So I guess I can't blame my teacher
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FoolForMath Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rouch%C3%A9%E2%80%93Capelli_theorem
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
lol :D
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hoblos Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
well.. considering the first equation and the last one.. xy+z =k *(2) 2x+2y2z=2 2x+2y2z=2k 2x+2y2z=2 so k must be 1
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eliassaab Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
You really do not need heavy Theorems to do a rather simple problem.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
i guess .. so i might have made computation mistake.
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angela210793 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@eliassaab this is how we solve it in my univ..... @experimentX @hoblos @FoolForMath @eliassaab thanks a lot for trying and willing to help me :) forget this question :) I'll think again and repost it :))) thanks :)
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
damn;; my mistake was computational ... LOL A = [1, 1, 1, i; 1, 1, 1, 2; 2, 2, 2, 2]; should have been 2 at the end.
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hoblos Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i remembred something we used to do... when r(AB) < number of variables... we have no exact solutions.. instead we use a parameter so we take z=m this gives x= 3/2 m so the solution is (3/2 m, 1/2 , m) for any m belong to R
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