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lol I have a SmartScore of 99 This means your system isn't working properly. ;D
we all do...so i guess we're gonna have good jobs >:)))
Hey folks, a lot of stuff has changed around here. Today's release represents, in raw numbers, over 8000 lines of code changed. It represents an epic amount of work from @farmdawgnation and @mattfeury on the development front, a fabulous imagination leap from @darthsid on the design front, and a great deal of thinking from everyone at OpenStudy, not least of all @chris, @preetha, @ashwinram, @cshalvey, and @Laura* . We've been bouncing ideas off of a ton of people for a while. So, welcome to SmartScore. We've rethought the way we do ranking on OpenStudy, and this is just the beginning of that work. You can read more on the vision at http://blog.openstudy.com/2012/04/09/to-boldly-go-where-no-grades-have-gone-before/ , and you can visit your profile (click your username near the top right of the page to hit it) to see your score and the shiny new profile page. We'll be adjusting the way scores over time in response to how we see people fitting on the scores now, as well as what we hear from people who interact with users in the real world. We've got bugs to fix and things to tweak over the next couple of days, so you'll be seeing a few more reloads than usual as we get everything trimmed up, but we wanted to put this in your hands so you could have a look around. Welcome to the future of what it means to be smart. Look around, get familiar, and let us know what you think. We are, as always, eager to listen.
Okay, but in all seriousness, WAT. If we all start with a perfect grade and get deductions based on bad behavior, wouldn't that create an incentive NEVER to do anything except the solving the easiest problems? And if I am getting a 99/100, that's actually a problem. Because I'm far from actually helpful.
Hehe. We'll be adjusting the way we *calculate* scores over time ;)
badreferences, I find in general the people who protest being high are the most helpful in life. And you don't start with a perfect grade, you earned it ;)
Daww how nice of you. But I see you are keeping your "calculations" secret.
Formula --- formula ... please? :)
Who stole my medals?
That said, SmartScore is calculated relative to the other users on the site. We're not going to share the formula for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is keeping you updated on how it works as we tweak things rapidly over the next days and weeks would be a huge pain ;) Let's just say the formula isn't final, and we'll be workin' it.
COol. :p It's just the scientist in me.
Let's just say... enjoy your 99 while you got it ;) (kidding). Also, saifoo, I think you sold yr medals to me for OpenStudy Gold(tm) :p
Okay so 99 is the highest? and this is a relative score .. so it will go down if i don't answer ?
Folks, yeah, I forgot to mention that one. A single user can only give a single medal per question now. We've run a migration that's updated all older questions to follow that model, so medal counts have changed.
I hope SmartScore only does "grade" inflation and not "grade" deflation. Because, you know, "relative" distributions are damaging at times. Like that year everyone at Harvard got a 98% or better, so they deflated the grades.
nic what arethe other changes excluding the smartscore?
Wait... @shadowfiend can you make it so that we can give a medal to the asker, as well as one answerer, at least?
Our goal with SmartScore is, quite simply, to measure that which grades miss. We'll be optimizing the formula to do that over time, and that may result in score drops as we factor new information.
wow, that's the think i always wanted. :D
can you make it so that we can give a medal to the asker, as well as one answerer, at least?like @badreferences told?
@badreferences Not for the time being, no. We'll consider it, though. @AravindG I can't think of anything else major at the moment, but we've been at it a while :p
Your avatar burns my eyes, @saifoo.khan . Fix this plz @shadowfiend :D
I FLIPPIN LIKE THIS SITE. You guys need you're stop you're whinin'. :P
wow now the detailed profolr looks sooooooooooo good
@badreferences Hell yes! :D That's awesome! @shadowfiend 's avatar blinks.
We're the revolutionaries. As long as we keep complaining, OS staff won't slack. :P But no, really, I appreciate OS' efforts to make their site more awesome.
What happened to all my medals? lol. I only have 170 now:)
I'm actually sorely tempted to try dropping my grades methodically and in a controlled manner--so I can "reverse engineer" the formula for SmartScore.
Very interesting! I'm curious - what about situations where multiple users contribute equally to answer a question? And it's the collective response of the community that really gives a satisfactory answer?
@kma230 Good point.
@shadowfiend You don't need any more medals :P taking one from you and giving it to @kma230
lol, undoing medals is cooler.
@kma230: Good point! I fear the un-medal and re-medal might induce some negativity :(
YES! i will give medals. after answer i will take them back! :D JK
I kind of liked the levels, It directed me to the people who answered well. Now I will never know:(
@Open2study, we definitely hope to convey that information in SmartScore. They have some overlap. We'll be tweaking it as we go if it fails to perform that task.
Btw is there a notification for un-medal-ing too?
These are all definitely valid concerns. A few things to bear in mind: - We do want SmartScore to give you that same information regarding good answers. You'll notice the tooltip you get for a user when you click on an avatar gives you a breakdown of SmartScore dimensions—problem solving, teamwork, and engagement. - We'll be watching the best answer stuff to see how it performs.
Because before, In the online list, the top answerers were at the top of the list and I know who can help me well. This list is all mixed up
There is no notification for an undone or reassigned medal, nor will there be.
The online list sorting is something we're going to work on. Right now it's sorted by overall score and then alphabetically. We're going to look at ways that sorting can be tweaked to convey the information people are looking for there.
@shadowfiend, Can you guys also PLEASE fix the tagging feature?
“Equally good” or fully collaborative answers are indeed a problem with respect to best answer. We'll be watching to see how this performs with respect to the previous system.
What's wrong with the tagging feature @Open2study ? I assume by that you mean the mentions?
Before, while typing someones name, the list of people would come up and then, I coud click on the name and it will appear in the box. After an update, this was no longer possible. I had to manually type the entire name
This is abit uncomfortable when typing really difficult nicknames
@Open2study Press tab after the list comes up. ;)
Wordalicious. I'll make sure that's taken care of soon, thanks for the reminder.
Here's my dystopian view of OS: If I understand it correctly, the new medal system makes it so that there's an incentive to have exactly one person answer any given problem, otherwise it will be wasted effort for the "late" individual. This also makes it, unfortunately, difficult to convince people to read through and correct bad answers. Also, in their haste to get a medal, many users will regress to just posting answers with minimal involved work, like, "use l'Hopital's rule and get this answer," as opposed to, "do X, Y, Z, which is called l'Hopital's rule, and get this answer."
Okay, in the mean time, If I undo someone I will post a comment (as a courtesy) explaining the reason.
I don't see the strong incentive. If someone then gives a better answer because they took their time, the medals will move to them.
@shadowfiend I'd like to think that's the case, but I feel like most people who give medals don't care enough to reassign medals to better answers. Anecdotal evidence, maybe, but many times I just outline a solution method, and get some medals--while other users flesh out the entire solution, AND the answer, and proceed to get fewer medals. Mainly because I was the first to respond.
So what's new?
i agree with @badreferences
the older system on medals was better
@AravindG I won't go so far as to say that, since we've barely had any change to try the new "system". I, for one, would like to "field test" SmartScore for a good great while. :D
in btw :i have a qn :P has anyone got 100 smartscore in OS?
Hey @AravindG and @badreferences - both very good points, and please keep that kind of dialog coming. And you're right Bad, this is definitely a 'field test' ;)
Yes, Aravind, I just checked. Best of luck figuring out who. ;)
Yeah, we're basically not going to have a discussion on which is better right now. We need to see how it plays out first :)
So three things to keep in mind: 1. You actually do get credit for "trying" - the number of people helped and questions ansered is taken into account in the scores. Regardless of medals. 2. We've discussed a few ways to go internally regarding medals. For example - right now medals from high scoring users are actually worth more towards your score (quite a bit more in fact). 3. We've also discussed using medals as a reward for high scoring users - for example users over 90 may one day have two medals to give. No promises, but we like the idea of adding abilities as users progress.
ya lets see what happens.all the best wishes to OS!!
Way to spoil my fun :P
Oh derp sorry farmdawg :p
@satellite Get in here, smartypants, and see what havoc you've wrought with your "better than everyone" grades.
He was so looking forward to that surprise @shadowfiend...
Ah, yes, @chris makes a good point. Part of SmartScore is that a lot more than medals goes into your score, unlike before.
Lol, that's not surprising at all.
Satellite's got a score of 18. Satellite73, on the other hand… ;)
Whoops, lol, see this is an example of when my SmartScore should drop. :P I still see a 99, though.
Imagine I make a mistake like that when typing an answer! That would be terrible.
Hahaha. I'm not sure your smart score should measure your ability to type or your ability to use OpenStudy ;)
hehe u have to live upto ur smartscores i supose :P
@AravindG You remind me of http://highexpectationsasianfather.tumblr.com/ . :D
Hahaha @badreferences - nice one!
Also, these scores will be updating as we watch and react. Perhaps drastically, perhaps not. However, we hope this is a major step towards encouraging all types of participation and collaboration. As @shadowfiend mentioned, this is just the beginning of this effort, and really early days of distinguishing the top helpers and "smartest" learners on the site.
I hope there isn't a timed feature to your grade. My access to the internet (and this site) is very on-off. So if I were to be kidnapped for a week, and then be rescued, would my grade drop? :P
20 people viewing, that must be a record
and those viweing are the real ones who contribute the most for OS :)
If you disconnect or get a red "connection lost" message in the middle of an answer, you are docked smart points. But other than that... PS: just kidding
@Open2study It's pretty traumatizing, I imagine, to log into OpenStudy and to see all your medals gone, and a "SmartScore" on the top right. So most users come to Feedback to complain, and proceed to realize it's a new "site feature", and then complain anyways.
HMM.. u see i also hav a prob , i will be away for sometime if i hav xams at school will that make a drop in my score?
Something is wrong with satellite73's mathematics medal count.
Lol. I wasnt complaining. I was asking what happened. Didnt know what was going on, SoI was asking. But not complaining:) There is an enormous difference
@Ishaan94: Check yours ;)
I know @Open2study , I was describing my reaciton. :P
And I'm sure the grammar Nazis out there would like to dock points for my mispelling of "reaction".
Mine is wrong as well. :/
Nothing is wrong with them. Read the conversation above. A new medal policy was implemented and the counts have been adjusted.
People use emoticons so much, they should have OS emoticons
That would be pretty cool
u mean smileys?
But what's up with satellite's medal count. One doesn't simply answers 13K questions and gets 2899 medals.
not only smileys
All sorts of emoticons
Yeah I have to agree with Ishaan
Satellite did answer over 10k questions and now he only has less than 3k medals, thats kind of unfair
for people like him
@Ishaan94 i also that noticed satellites profile
Hm. Well, it's 2 AM here so we can look into that when it's not the middle of the night. heh.
its mrning here :)
Like I understand that OS did that to everyone, but for people like satellite... who answered so many questions
I think the current system makes it so that the marginal cost/work of having one more medal from before the SmartScore implementation gets higher. So it's more a medal "shift" rather than a deduction. Also, who else but @satellite73 can brag about having a 100?
Satellite is the only 100 right now?
hey @Ishaan94 - I can assure you, ultimately, that a user like @satellite73 will have a very high score on ANY system we implement. The main issue right now is that everyone is extremely bunched together - so his 'fall' seems more dramatic than most. We're still working out the kinks, and you'll see some changes this week.
I like the concept of the SmartScore, though I think it'll take some time to get used to...It is definitely reassuring to know, though, that the developers are so receptive to the community's feedback!
In the next update, can you make it so the list of online users depict the users who have most medals at the top? or something like this
so bye guys i am going to improve my smartscore :)
Thanks @kma230 - absolutely. And remember, this score is FOR the community - so we'll definitely be getting as much input as possible from everyone we can on OpenStudy!
This way, I know which users can help me well. The list is all mixed up so Its not as easy to find out who is good at answering questions
@AravindG satellite73 has the monopoly on 100%'s, so I appreciate your effort to make the market fairer for the rest of us plebeians. ;D
Hey so if I give someone the "best answer" thingy and then take it away, they don't know who took it away?
Very good point @Open2study - completely understand the need for that, thanks!
I really like that the mods listen to the users:)
@myininaya - just gave and took away - see anything?
No wonder this site is so awesome
What was that @Open2study? Missed it, wasn't listening :P
lol:) It took me a couple of seconds to get it:) funny!
Cheers @Open2study ;)
well I know it was you because i only had one good answer and now it says 0 so i know it was you who took my good answer away
You know what would make this site more awesome?|dw:1334557465091:dw|The complaints never end!
Just kidding, this site is awesome :D
Hahaha. The drawing tool is on my pet peeves list, too. We'll give it some love as soon as we get some breathing time (which may not be super-soon, but we'll do what we can!).
How can OS help improve users to draw better? lol
Great changes you guys! I like it. :)
Arent the users who need to practice? lol
A LaTeX cheat sheet would be cool for its users. Or maybe an integrated http://www.codecogs.com/latex/eqneditor.php .
Ugh, no. If and when we improve the equation editor, it'll still be… Not ugly :p
Haha @badreferences I think even if they integrated Sai or comparable drawing tools...the quality of the drawings wouldn't increase... I fear there is something inherently difficult with drawing using a mouse / on a computer >_< everything I draw turns out looking like chicken scratch.
Yes, but a table and a text function would mean Punnett squares no longer look like they were drawn by four year olds.
Oh, thanks for increasing the profile picture size too!
@kma230|dw:1334557719444:dw|But, yeah, a better "draw" means teh ability to type in the "draw" function, at the very least.
Shoot @FoolForMath - we're all ears
oops sorry, It got deleted that. I wanted to suggest anonymous medal-ing system. If we are not notified who is giving medals to us it won't matter to us who is taking it back and hence no directed negativity to anyone.
What is the select tool for in the 'Draw'? :D
@FoolForMath Yes. This would also make it slightly more difficult to directly know you're influencing a high-ranked user to medal you.
Because if satellite73 ever comes in a thread, I'll proceed to post satellite puns until he gives me a medal.
Yes I agree, I also think it will give us more freedom while giving away the medals and undoing and we can choose the best answer without worrying about any thing else.
Btw guys, I haven't slept properly so do pardon all of my solecism.
I hope I am making sense though lol
You taught me a new word today FFM... "solecism"... if you currently don't believe yourself to be "making sense", you must be a smartypants when fully awake.
I think my suggestion made the admins fell asleep lol
I think that will be 'fall'
The admins are tired. They released a new scoring system, and we proceed to criticize them. :P Good, let's work them harder!
Also, I propose we make it so that people who have medals can give them to other users within one discussion. Someone with medals is likely to be actively involved in the problem solving process, and thus if a better answer is given, s/he will likely review it and reward the new answer (if s/he is nice). And if this doesn't happen, well, nothing changes. For instance, I answer a question and get 5 medals, but my answer was badly phrased. satellite73 comes in and makes me look dumb, but only gets 2 medals from one other reviewer and me; others are too lazy or don't care enough to change their medals. As someone with 4 medals now, I'd like to be able to take one medal away and give satellite73 ANOTHER medal. Preferably all four of the remaining ones, but I feel like that's too open to abuse.
Hey @FoolForMath - not at all! Sorry, chasing down other things. But I think both you and @badreferences bring up good points - we need to balance the 'positive' and 'negative' consequences/incentives of medal giving/removing.
No one told my yet, what is the select tool (in the drawing tool) for? How do I use it?
@badreferences - nice idea! Like that a lot actually... @Ishaan94 - hmm, very good question about the 'Select' tool - looking into that for you now. Hehe, cause it doesn't seem to do much for me either... ;)
@Ishaan94 - the select tool is for deleting items you have drawn FYI - just found out meself ;)
How do you delete? I can't delete anything using the select tool? :(
Hmm, if you select it and press Delete/backspace, does that work?
Yes, it does. Nice. Thanks! It didn't cross my mind :/
It's okay, I walked into a tree this morning. Nothing crosses my mind. :D
Heh, no worries @Ishaan94 - took me a bit to figure out too. And then I couldn't delete anything for a second, which was frustrating...
how do i see the messages I've sent ppl... is that a feature to come or it's hidden and i don't see it ? :o
Hey @sasogeek - you should see a 'View All Messages' at the bottom of the drop down, click that and there should be a tab for 'Sent'
hmmm thanks :)
Great work guys Thanks @shadowfiend @farmdawgnation @mattfeury @darthsid and all the Open Study Team:D:D
The funniest thing about this update is it says im smart, can stop laughing. Great update though,
Me neither :trololololol:
So I have to stay 96 SmartScore until the next release...?
Nono, the smartscore updates live like everything else. We'll be changing how exactly that change happens for the first time sometime today, as we see it in action.
Also, btw everyone, we forgot to announce this one. You can now browse the site on iPad and have it function. The experience isn't great yet (that's in the pipe), but it is workable. :)
i tried to use my chem teacher's ipad to demonstrate to him how OS works, we had some issues but then explanation went well :) he doesn't plan to use Os yet though cos he's quite busy and occupied
Thanks Open Study :D I love my little pink A:)
@darthsid would probably want me to note that it is purple, not pink. It's also going changed soon, so that the colors are around the same level of brightness
http://openstudy.com/study#/updates/4f8c63c5e4b0935d57ea233a Look, here's an example of me "answering" a question, getting one medal, and satellite73 giving a better answer, and getting zero medals (well, one after I gave him one). I'm sure if I was bored enough to trawl through my history I could find multiple, larger examples of this, but my point is that the medal system is too limiting to reward people like satellite73.
Thanks for the feedback, badreferences. We'll be talking about that this week, for sure.
@Laura* u liked my idea of gettingpink for the mods?
I actually voted for purple. @darthsid ended up choosing a mix of the two.
ah yes purple is better:P
i like malachite but oh well, and no i did not just search on Google colours people don't know about, because i searched that yesterday :D
OMG OMG OMG OMG AMAZING
@Luis_Rivera, what do you mean by starting at square one? You have had so much activity on the site, and it has been captured/logged. Otherwise, you would NOT have a score of 66
I have a visceral reaction to seeing the word "score" and the number "68" near one another. :P My internal high expectations Asian father says, "Why you get D+? You no become doctor now!"
@badreferences: Do you think other fathers don't expect good scores from there children? or does no one outside Asia get D+? :P
I don't actually have a good basis of judgement. I make these "high expectations" jokes easily because my parents care actually very little about my grades. I'm just very familiar with the stereotype, having lived in many families as an exchange student.
Logical Fallacy: 'Hasty generalization' :)
Oh yes, I know I made a logical fallacy. That's why I'm joking about it. You know, as opposed to saying stuff like this seriously.