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  • 2 years ago

There is an increase in tutorial writing spirit among our members. Personally I welcome this attitude and try to encourage is as much as possible by proof reading, giving medals, etc. But it occurred to me (reading some abuse reports) that some of us does not like to see tutorials as *open questions*. Should we allow tutorials as open questions? Why? and why not?

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  1. KingGeorge
    • 2 years ago
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    So far, they seem very informative and helpful, and have stimulated quite a bit of fascinating conversation in the replies. Although they might be better off in another section.

  2. lgbasallote
    • 2 years ago
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    hmm reported spammy huh...lemme think...

  3. IsTim
    • 2 years ago
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    Separate, unique, tutorial Group, but make it highly recognizable, and easy to access! Maybe another button to accompany the top ones.

  4. lgbasallote
    • 2 years ago
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    tutorial group...doubt that will be popular...itll just get buried and forgotten :/

  5. IsTim
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    Easier to access at the top. Sometimes when I try looking for a tutorial I enjoy scrolling. Fun for flash games, but not when you're desperate.

  6. Callisto
    • 2 years ago
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    A new group!!! Calling it as 'open question' is extremely weird! And things are not well-organised..

  7. rebeccaskell94
    • 2 years ago
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    I think that if they are obviously listed as "NOT questions" they are okay. But if we could find a way to somehow either make a link to tutorials or make them into a section or something (not group), that would be more optimal.

  8. IsTim
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    Not group persay. Maybe...User-Generated Tutorials Beside the Home Link.

  9. lgbasallote
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    a tab beside closed questions?

  10. IsTim
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    And....Becca already said that.

  11. lgbasallote
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    there were some nice suggestions here http://openstudy.com/updates/4fa2a8e7e4b029e9dc3370f6 by @TuringTest

  12. KingGeorge
    • 2 years ago
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    Also, if OS does go with this new section/new tab/new something to organize tutorials and make them easy to access, I feel like they should be looked over and revised for correctness. Especially if we make them easy to find and encourage users to look at them.

  13. IsTim
    • 2 years ago
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    Maybe use the medal system again there. The more medals ti seems to have, the more legitimate it is. Also, allow us to see who had thought that the Tutorial was good, see we can see if the good math people approve of it.

  14. lgbasallote
    • 2 years ago
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    i think the argument here is not the validity of the tutorials but that it is distracting in the groups...

  15. lgbasallote
    • 2 years ago
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    and i think the reason is that this tutorial thing is new so the users arent used to it yet..that's why they find it spammy..

  16. IsTim
    • 2 years ago
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    We must assume that users are sleep-deprived. If that amounts to anything.

  17. shivam_bhalla
    • 2 years ago
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    I mean instead of new group, why can't Openstudy create a new section of tutorials which belong to proper section and can be updated by users (somewhat like wikipedia). The changes made by the user can be accepted by the moderator first before updating. I know it gets hectic but afteral, it makes our job helping others much more easier than retyping the same concepts again anad again for similar types of questions

  18. lgbasallote
    • 2 years ago
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    but i guess my bumping my tutorials over and over takes away the answerers from answering REAL questions...hmm...

  19. rebeccaskell94
    • 2 years ago
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    I think we should make a link and have all the tutorials on like a mini OS site kinda thing. Or a special place on OS.

  20. lgbasallote
    • 2 years ago
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    i still say the tab beside closed questions is nice :p

  21. lgbasallote
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    it's more approachable

  22. FoolForMath
    • 2 years ago
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    The key argument here is whether we should consider tutorials as open questions or not. Technically it's not a question so the abuse reports are justified and hence calls for a moderator's attentions. Personally I don't wish to take action based on this technicality and upset our tutorial writers. However, in absence of a precept I will not be surprised if someone else think otherwise.

  23. rebeccaskell94
    • 2 years ago
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    well if they just had a box that said "math tutorials" and ppl could click it and have it take them to all the tutorials, it would work and I don't think Open Questions are fitting, but they don't bother me.

  24. Callisto
    • 2 years ago
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    You may open a new group/section / or ... The only thing is that it should not be mixed with the ''question''. Furthermore, as those posts have their place to stay, users can check it up easily, instead of looking up the profile of the one who posted it.

  25. KingGeorge
    • 2 years ago
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    I'd also claim that they shouldn't be regarded as open questions. Although, I would regard them as closed questions either.

  26. KingGeorge
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    *wouldn't

  27. lgbasallote
    • 2 years ago
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    uhmm there are already plans for the tutorials brewing so let us not suggest "for future" like fool said the key argument is now...what do we do with open question tutorial while the brewing is not done

  28. lgbasallote
    • 2 years ago
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    i think what they're angry about is us outbumping them...so no bumping of tutorials?

  29. Callisto
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    My answer to FFM's question: No, it's NOT a question, neither for open nor closed.

  30. rebeccaskell94
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    I really don't think it should be a group... That seems like it would be more damage than good. But it's also not a question (open or closed)

  31. lgbasallote
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    ...or a temporary break of writing tutorials while the group is not made...i would be okay with that..ive been running out of ideas anyway

  32. lgbasallote
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    i mean tab not group

  33. rebeccaskell94
    • 2 years ago
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    hey @myininaya come help us!

  34. lgbasallote
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    we're reaching an awkward silence arent we...

  35. myininaya
    • 2 years ago
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    I don't see anything wrong with a tutorial if enough people are interested and it is related to the group that you are posting the tutorial in.

  36. myininaya
    • 2 years ago
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    I do not see anything wrong with helping people through this way.

  37. myininaya
    • 2 years ago
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    This site is for helping. I will not warn, suspend anyone who does this.

  38. lgbasallote
    • 2 years ago
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    it seems the issue is that we are outbumping REAL questions...they think it decreases their chance of being answered

  39. CHAD159753
    • 2 years ago
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    @myininaya and @cshalvey are the best mods on OpenStudy that is all so to your question w.e those to want ill aggree with :D

  40. myininaya
    • 2 years ago
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    But of course if @cshalvey disagrees then I will have to follow what he says because he is after all the community manager.

  41. rebeccaskell94
    • 2 years ago
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    Imma mini Colm

  42. lgbasallote
    • 2 years ago
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    i tink we should stop tagging @cshalvey he's getting spammed notifs

  43. myininaya
    • 2 years ago
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    And thanks @chad159753 !

  44. lgbasallote
    • 2 years ago
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    for all that matters i think @myininaya is awesome too :)

  45. rebeccaskell94
    • 2 years ago
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    I stopped tagging him before you did(n't) :P

  46. lgbasallote
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    you still need an outrageous beard @rebeccaskell94 to be a mini @cshalvey

  47. rebeccaskell94
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    I have it on my bio...duh

  48. lgbasallote
    • 2 years ago
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    uhmm so what's the verdict to the argument @FoolForMath ?

  49. myininaya
    • 2 years ago
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    @Igbasallote we will have to stay tuned for the verdict. While the jurors find the defendant innocent the judge colm might decide the verdict is guilty.

  50. rebeccaskell94
    • 2 years ago
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    yeah I definitely think lgba is guilty...

  51. lgbasallote
    • 2 years ago
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    i guess it's a recess? and btw Lgbasallote myin :PP after all these months tsk tsk haha

  52. FoolForMath
    • 2 years ago
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    I agree with Myin and I don't want to take actions against our tutorial writers as she said tutorials does helps others and as king says "and have stimulated quite a bit of fascinating conversation in the replies" I will leave the rest to @cshalvey to decide ;)

  53. lgbasallote
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    i think @cshalvey has been tagged 6 times in this thread =)))

  54. lgbasallote
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    do tag me when there has been a verdict..i would love to learn my sentence..but i do plead not guilty

  55. mmoul18
    • 2 years ago
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    I love the tutorials that @lgbasallote puts in the music group. they are a good way to get your mind off things and help you learn something new that is not related to anything in particular. I think it is ok if it stays the same as it is and I am also for @lgbasallote's idea of a button next to the closed questions :)

  56. shadowfiend
    • 2 years ago
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    We currently don't have an official stance on tutorials, but I'd say they're perfectly acceptable. The trouble with bumping them, especially in a group like math, is that you *do* decrease their chances of getting their questions answered. If you do choose to bump, I'd say try to avoid doing it more than two or three times. We don't really have the time to create a separate section either at the moment, since it would really need to have different rules to be of any use, so that's unfortunate :/ A separate site could be fun, on the other hand… (Fun = an opportunity to work on something slightly different when we have spare time.) The integration would be a problem though. We'll think about this for sure. Thanks to all of you who have been writing these tutorials!

  57. asnaseer
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    How about creating a separate Wiki page for these tutorials with an easy-to-access link to them? I think Wiki-style is more suited for tutorials. I'm sure we could make use a free Wiki provider to try this out on.

  58. rebeccaskell94
    • 2 years ago
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    me no gusta le wiki

  59. asnaseer
    • 2 years ago
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    why?

  60. rebeccaskell94
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    Too much false info

  61. asnaseer
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    but we would be creating the pages in this case - so why making it a wiki will suddenly urge people to put in false info?

  62. rebeccaskell94
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    This is true...I just have a personal aversion to wiki that's all haha

  63. asnaseer
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    :)

  64. blues
    • 2 years ago
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    I think that tutorials / fun facts / user created wikis do not belong in the questions forums. That said, I would *never* warn or take action against a user who posted them as long as they are relevant. Look on my profile and you will see that I post rather a lot of these non-question questions in biology. The other biology moderator, @TranceNova, posted a Fun Fact a week before she ran out of time. Highlighting the fact that if we started suspending for this, there would be no more mods on the site because we would have all suspended each other. I post them in the forum because there is nowhere else. I do think that there should be some platform which integrates user request tutorials on certain recurrent subjects with development of said tutorials by experts from each group. We see so many questions on certain subjects that we know precisely how understanding breaks down and we have a lot of practice teaching these subjects. It would be more efficient to have a common resource to point these users to. That way we could spend our limited time helping others with more unusual or esoteric questions. And not least, I think that developing the tutorials would be a learning experience for everyone involved, from the askers who provide input and info about need to the answerers who work together to come up with the resources.

  65. lgbasallote
    • 2 years ago
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    me no gusta wiki either @asnaseer for two selfish reasons 1) i will just feel bad that some complete random stranger that i have never even met even in openstudy is gonna edit my masterpieces -__- 2) I fear that putting them in another site is not as inviting as putting them in the site itself. let's admit it..we'd rather click a tab than click a link. But i guess i have no right to be choosy..

  66. mmoul18
    • 2 years ago
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    true :) I agree with @lgbasallote :)

  67. lgbasallote
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    @shadowfiend i guess i'll just hope for next month...or the next...or the next month...that's a lot of waiting...well anyway im on an indefinite break of tutorials anyway so no more need to worry about me ^_^

  68. rebeccaskell94
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    @mmoul18 you always agree with lgbasallote...

  69. blues
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    Next month, or the one after that, or the summer when all the school questions aren't coming through and we have time to focus on other things. I would rather see developments to the site done sensibly, thoroughly and carefully rather than shoddily and in haste.

  70. rebeccaskell94
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    I agree with @blues. And until then we can scheme ;)

  71. lgbasallote
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    when is the summer for you guys? coz here..uhmm..it's actually always "summer:" haha

  72. rebeccaskell94
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    "Officially" on June 22 idk when break is though

  73. lgbasallote
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    well i'll gladly stop my tutorials until June 22...if it is for the peace of the community...

  74. lgbasallote
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    maybe by June 22 the admins can do something about them since they have more free time those times

  75. rebeccaskell94
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    Maybe, maybe they will showcase them for you and make them look beautiful ;)

  76. mmoul18
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    ummm what about the schools in other countries like AUstralia that are still at school whilst all of you Americans are on holidays???

  77. rebeccaskell94
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    The OS site is based out of Georgia in the States, so naturally we'd go with our schedule. ;)

  78. lgbasallote
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    uhh that was a selfish reason =))

  79. mmoul18
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    yeah it kind of was. AND I'm not just agreeing with @lgbasallote because sometimes I like what he/she is saying and sometimes I don't :)

  80. rebeccaskell94
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    haha umm yeah I don't believe you ;) and lgba yeah it was, but it's probs very accurate ;p

  81. mmoul18
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    it's true :) cause I respect what other people think :)

  82. CHAD159753
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    Liar

  83. mmoul18
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    hey what is this? Attack @mmoul18?????

  84. lgbasallote
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    wowww this is exciting i actually made something that the admins and mods dont know what to do with...this is...interesting...

  85. shadowfiend
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    Yeah we don't have school, so the school schedule doesn't really affect our free time ;)

  86. lgbasallote
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    uhmm so what's the verdict? can we still post tutorials?

  87. myininaya
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    I thought the answer was yes shadowfiend: "We currently don't have an official stance on tutorials, but I'd say they're perfectly acceptable. The trouble with bumping them, especially in a group like math, is that you *do* decrease their chances of getting their questions answered. If you do choose to bump, I'd say try to avoid doing it more than two or three times. We don't really have the time to create a separate section either at the moment, since it would really need to have different rules to be of any use, so that's unfortunate :/ A separate site could be fun, on the other hand… (Fun = an opportunity to work on something slightly different when we have spare time.) The integration would be a problem though. We'll think about this for sure. Thanks to all of you who have been writing these tutorials!" ================================================= Perfectly acceptable is the summary of the answer here.

  88. lgbasallote
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    ahhh i see..that'sfortunate

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