## ajprincess Group Title Plzz help. Typical bedroom contains 2500 moles of air. Find the change in internal energy of the air, when it is cooled from 23.9 degree C to 11.6 degree C at a constant pressure of 1atm. Treat this air as an ideal gas with gamma = 1.4. 2 years ago 2 years ago

1. UnkleRhaukus Group Title

do you have a formula yet/

2. ajprincess Group Title

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3. ajprincess Group Title

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4. UnkleRhaukus Group Title

and the question asks for $$\frac{\text d u}{\text dt}$$

5. ajprincess Group Title

jst du.

6. UnkleRhaukus Group Title

oh ok.

7. amistre64 Group Title

cant say id even know how to begin with this one :/ srry

8. ajprincess Group Title

it's ok. Thanxxx a lot anyways.

9. UnkleRhaukus Group Title

it is really annoying because it seams like a simple question, and i know i have done an almost identical question about a year ago, im gonna look through my old books

10. ajprincess Group Title

ha k.

11. ajprincess Group Title

thanxxx

12. UnkleRhaukus Group Title

The pressure is constant $$p$$ is pressure; $$n=\frac NV$$ is the moles per unit volume ; $$k_b$$the Boltzmann constant; $$T$$ is the Temperature in Kelvin; $$u=\frac UV$$ is the kinetic energy per unit volume $p=nk_bT$ $p=\frac23u$ $$U=\frac 32nk_BT$$ $$\Delta U=\frac 32nk_B\Delta T$$

13. ajprincess Group Title

Thanxxxxx a lottt

14. UnkleRhaukus Group Title

there are too many formulas in thermodynamics i found this subject very difficult

15. ajprincess Group Title

:)

16. ajprincess Group Title

Bt y hav they given gamma @unklerhaukus.

17. UnkleRhaukus Group Title

i cant see how to use gamma for this question, the method of cooling has not be specified

18. ajprincess Group Title

|dw:1338353654846:dw| When I solve using this and the above formula i posted I end up with a different answer.

19. UnkleRhaukus Group Title

what were the two answers you got?

20. ajprincess Group Title

one is 635,215.625 and the other is 2.30*10^-20

21. UnkleRhaukus Group Title

and the units that belong to those numbers are ?

22. ajprincess Group Title

first one is Joules bt the second is the answer I found using ur formula. I am confused with its units.

23. ajprincess Group Title

second answer has to be 2.55*10^-22

24. ajprincess Group Title

@unklerhaukus

25. UnkleRhaukus Group Title

in physics , units are most important , did you stick to SI units , and remember to convert temperatures to Kelvin

26. ajprincess Group Title

ya I did.

27. eashmore Group Title

Let's first make a couple of assumptions to better define the problem. 1) Closed system. 2) Constant specific heats 3) Ideal gas 4) Reversible We also know that the process happens at constant pressure. With Assumptions 1, 2, and 3, we can say that$dU = m C_v dT$However, we can look up the specific heat on a molar basis. The expression now becomes$dU [ kJ] = n [mole] \cdot \bar C_v \left [ kJ \over {mol \cdot K } \right ] \cdot dT [K ~ or~ C]$ (Note that bar over the $$C_v$$ indicates molar units.) But, because the process happens at constant pressure and not constant volume, we cannot use the constant volume specific heat value ($$C_v$$). Let's recall that change in enthalpy can be expressed as (under conditions specified by Assumptions 1, 2, and 3) $dH = m C_p dT = n \bar C_p dT$Let's also recall that enthalpy can be expressed in terms of internal energy as$H = U + pV$Differentiating, we obtain $dH = dU + dp \cdot V + p \cdot dV$Since pressure is constant, $$dp \cdot V = 0$$$dH = dU + p \cdot dV$Therefore, $dU = n \bar C_p dT - p \cdot dV$From Assumption 3, we can express the change in volume as$dV = {nR(dT) \over p}$$\therefore dU = n \bar C_p (dT) - {nR(dT) \over p}$With Assumption 2 and 3 and the fact that pressure and temperature are state quantities, we can expression the differential as$\Delta U = n \bar C_p (\Delta T) - {n R (\Delta T) \over p}$ We don't know $$C_p$$ however, but we know gamma and the gas constant. Let's work a couple of relations to get $$C_p$$ in terms of gamma and R. It can be shown that$C_p = {\gamma n R \over \gamma - 1}$ We obtain the following final expression$\Delta U = n \left [ \gamma n R \over \gamma -1 \right] \Delta T - {n R \Delta T \over p}$ Be sure the units on R matches the units on n and p.

28. UnkleRhaukus Group Title

are you sure the pressure is constant, not the volume @eashmore?

29. eashmore Group Title

The problem statement explicitly states "at a constant pressure of 1 atm." Counter intuitive? Sure, but I'll stick to the problem statement.

30. UnkleRhaukus Group Title

ok that isa good point, but i still dont see how come you can assume reverseable cooling

31. ajprincess Group Title

Thanxxxx a lottt.