## jerwyn_gayo Group Title which group of numbers are more numerous? A. rational B. irrational 2 years ago 2 years ago

1. anusha.p
2. jerwyn_gayo

a theoretical question, i just want your insights!

3. alexwee123

i would go w/ irrational cuz they are uncountably infinte

4. alexwee123
5. Romero

irrational right?

6. Study23

Irrational. There are an infinite amount. For an example, consider 1.24 and 1.25 (completely random). There's 1.245 in between, amnd 1.246. Between those, there's 1.2455 and 1.2456. This goes on for $$\ \Huge \infty !$$

7. Romero

yeah because between 1 and 2 there can be an infinite

8. jerwyn_gayo

yeah, perhaps you're right! basing on grammar and language rule,. but i think in other sense, rational are more in number than irrational..

9. Romero

infinity times infinity is more than infinity

10. Study23

I think both are numerous. There's an infinite amount of rational numbers, and an infinite amount of irrational numbers. Both go $$\ \huge \rightarrow \infty .$$

11. Study23

$$\ \Huge \pm\infty that is$$.

12. nbouscal

The answer is the irrational numbers. For some better understanding of why, you need to understand Cantor's work in the countability of infinite sets. The rationals are countably infinite; the irrationals are uncountably infinite.

13. Romero

Oh @nbouscal hit the spot!!

14. nbouscal

Brief coverage of the notion of countability: A set is countably infinite if it can be put into a bijection with the natural numbers. If it cannot, then it is uncountably infinite. Cantor's proof of the uncountability of the reals is known as his diagonal argument, and is a very fun proof. There are a lot of resources available on the web for learning about and understanding this proof.

15. jerwyn_gayo

our professor said, the answer is irrational.. but i hate to accept his, idea same as yours, by saying the difference in definition- "countable and uncountable".

16. nbouscal

Why do you hate to accept it? Have you seen and understood Cantor's diagonal argument? It is quite intuitive once you understand it.

17. jerwyn_gayo

may i have the website of it?

18. nbouscal

Here is a thread here on OS that may help you: http://openstudy.com/updates/4fc25b57e4b0964abc83b70b Here is Wikipedia on Cantor's diagonal argument: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantor%27s_diagonal_argument Here is Professor Francis Su of Harvey Mudd giving a lecture on Countable and Uncountable Sets: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mciBPGCvpBk

19. nbouscal

Uncountable is not at all synonymous to nonexistent, it is simply saying that you can't count them, for a specific definition of counting (bijection to the naturals).

20. jerwyn_gayo

i'm not yet convinced. but, anyway, thanks for the ideas.

21. nbouscal

If you are not yet convinced then you simply have not yet understood the argument :)

22. jerwyn_gayo

i haven't read it yet! :-)