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apoorvk
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\(\large \text{What is a 'sigma' proof?}\)
Three days back, in arguably this millenium's biggest announcement yet from the world of Physics, CERN scientists briefed us about the discovery of a new Boson like particle, stating that they had about a "4.5 sigma proof" of it's discovery.
Also, they mentioned that a minimum of 5 sigmas is required for the doubtless confirmation of any fact or theory.
What is this ''sigma proof", and what does it signify in layman terms?
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apoorvk Group Title
\(\Huge\sigma\) \(\large \text{What is a 'sigma' proof?}\) Three days back, in arguably this millenium's biggest announcement yet from the world of Physics, CERN scientists briefed us about the discovery of a new Boson like particle, stating that they had about a "4.5 sigma proof" of it's discovery. Also, they mentioned that a minimum of 5 sigmas is required for the doubtless confirmation of any fact or theory. What is this ''sigma proof", and what does it signify in layman terms?
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apoorvk Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Is it only about statistics and analysis of the numbers? I was trying to read up about it in the web, but it became too confusing and complicated for me. (Also, does this 'sigma' thingy, by any cat in hell's chance have any relation with the Six Sigma system that is widely used in QM?)
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lgbasallote Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
nice heading haha...im curious about this too...
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apoorvk Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Perhaps @myininaya would know this.
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apoorvk Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Or His Majesty, @KingGeorge might be able to help his poor subject on this!
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eliassaab Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_significance#In_terms_of_.CF.83_.28sigma.29
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Yahoo! Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
that is a good idea i will post plzz wait
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Yahoo! Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
http://asq.org/learnaboutquality/sixsigma/overview/overview.html
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apoorvk Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
@eliassaab  Sir thank you for that link, but I that really need to understand it in layman terms,the wikipedia explanation looks greek to me :S
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apoorvk Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
@Yahoo!  thanks but that link "Six Sigma" which I believe is not related to 'sigmaproofs'. Six sigma is a Quality Management System (QMS) protocol actually.
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Raja99 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
nice article.. i would like to add one thing .. usually many of the physical phenomenon follow normal distribution which is of bell shape and usually 3 sigma covers overs 99.99 confidence over that phenomenon.. then 5 sigma is like nearly 100% that the particle exist..
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apoorvk Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
So does this have something to with a bellcurve? I am starting to get the picture..
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Raja99 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
see normal distribution
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Limitless Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThP51oPttS0&feature=plcp Sigma is essentially a way of measuring how likely it is that an experiment's results are not chance or erroneous. It increases very very quickly from one sigma level to another. The video explains it completely. :)
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apoorvk Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
@raja99 going by this link (provided by @Limitless ) 3 sigmas would be similar getting a head 8 times in a row, that is one out of 256 possibilities, that is roughly a 255/256, that is roughly 99.6% of error eliminated. Am I right?
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apoorvk Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
** 99.6% chance
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Limitless Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Yes, @apoorvk. That's correct. It seems that their video is slightly different and works out to 99.7%.
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apoorvk Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
yeah, approximation probably.. Hmm, so is the relation between that "no. of coins" thingy, and the no. of sigmas kinda linear?
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Limitless Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I don't know how to describe the relationship between sigmas. It seems like it's not linear.
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apoorvk Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Hmm, so it seems too. Anyways, thanks a zilliontrillion, that was a lot of help, now I can 'feel' 'em holysigmas. :P
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Limitless Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Awesome! Glad to help. :)
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nbouscal Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Sigma represents standard deviations. In statistics, we look at how confident we can be of a given result, and we represent that data in terms of standard deviations. It can be translated into a percentage certainty that the result is correct. Basically, it is saying that, if the result was incorrect, it would be an outlier, and it is quantifying just how much of an outlier the result would be.
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apoorvk Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Hmm, okay, so lesser the deviation from the mean result, the more the no. of sigmas right?
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nbouscal Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Nope, other way around. A sigma represents one standard deviation. So, if it's one sigma, it's one standard deviation. This can be confusing, because you have to be clear what you're talking about. With the CERN result, they're talking about confidence. They're saying that they're confident to a 5 sigma level of certainty that the result is not just background noise. What that means is that if it was background noise, it would be an outlier on the level of 5 standard deviations from the mean. About 68.27% of the values lie within 1 standard deviation of the mean. Similarly, about 95.45% of the values lie within 2 standard deviations of the mean. Nearly all (99.73%) of the values lie within 3 standard deviations of the mean. So, if you have a 3 sigma level of confidence that a result is signal rather than noise, you're saying that basically the odds of the result being background noise are .27%. 5 sigma, of course, is much stronger than this. The result CERN provided claimed 4.9 sigma, which corresponds to 99.999904%. So this is kind of like saying that the odds of the result being inaccurate are .000096%. That's not exactly what it means, but it is an okay way to think about it.
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apoorvk Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Oh... okay... Hmm.. EUREKA! Great, thanks a billion @nbouscal that seriously helped me to visualize, the picture is even more clear now!! (: Sadly this medalsystem.. :\ Please make do with these stars for now _ \(\Huge \color{gold}{⋆⋆⋆}\) Thanks again! :) :P
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