anonymous
  • anonymous
Okay, so in light of yesterdays conversation about ambassadors having more privileges and the talk about chat specifically. I have a very good example of why amby's shouldn't have that responsibility. We had 3 users playing around on chat. They did absolutely nothing wrong and were just goofing off and an ambassador came on and decided to tell them to get off chat and that it was abusive and etc etc Now, there was one who decided to bypass a filter and I let them know that, that was uncalled for and they didn't do it again.
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anonymous
  • anonymous
I think it's ridiculous how much of an air some ambassadors are putting on. We are only supposed to welcome new people. There is nothing more to the purple A and (as an ambassador) I'm over it.
lgbasallote
  • lgbasallote
de javu. i feel like i have seen this kind of post before o.O
anonymous
  • anonymous
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vishweshshrimali5
  • vishweshshrimali5
@rebeccaskell94 I was also in the same chat.............. But, according to me this site has been made to help each other to discuss about new things...... Not for playing around i know u are also an ambassador and whom u r talking about.. I am sorry if u are hurted...
lgbasallote
  • lgbasallote
another problem i see with giving ambassadors power is people will aim for the ambassador position instead of the moderator position because becoming ambassador is easier and it has power. my point being if the ambassadors will get power then people will just join ambassadorship for the power and not to welcome people anymore
anonymous
  • anonymous
lol I'm not hurt at all. However, the chat is for chatting it was not put in place specifically to discuss math problems but as a break from studies.
anonymous
  • anonymous
and lgba has a very good point.
lgbasallote
  • lgbasallote
*however* i think it's a fallacy to say "ambassadors shouldnt get power" just because "present ambassadors" are doing something wrong
vishweshshrimali5
  • vishweshshrimali5
@lgbasallote very correct/fully agree with u...... @rebeccaskell94 Well, I think that chat should not be for what was going on there........ U have a point but there should be only a limit of how much break u take. It is better to discuss things like where u study ? how are urstudies going on ? which game u like ? do you think that this team should have won ?did u watch that movie............. and so on and not for what was going on there.....
anonymous
  • anonymous
Studying begets power. Knowledge begets power. Power corrupts. So study hard and be evil. Also Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians. In my experience in a decade of moderating a gaming community I can tell you from direct and repeated experience that if you give children power, even if they are well intentioned, they will abuse it. Restraint and concerns about proper use of power is something that requires an attitude of service, maturity, and mostly likely having been in the pelletty receiving end of unjust inequality more than once. And to be clear when I say children, that includes immature adults. And by immature I don't mean that you can't be joking around on occasion, I mean about responsibility. Adults are responsible and expect to be always accountable for their choices. This is why in the gaming community I help run, we never give children or adults that often act like children moderator powers (the perception that they are somehow in-charge). It's nothing personal, and we all may really like them and thing they are brilliant, talented, and kind individuals. But experience has taught me that you just DON'T do it if you want to keep the drama out.
anonymous
  • anonymous
Speaking of, we had a private discussion about responsibility and adulthood yesterday @rebeccaskell94 if you've not forgotten. :-)
vishweshshrimali5
  • vishweshshrimali5
it is right to say that one should have some different characteristics for selecting ambassadors like they should have a minimum age criteria , minimum class criteria and so on....... that would surely give us more mature ambassadors.
anonymous
  • anonymous
@ the others, not it wasn't a negative conversation, I was answering her curiosity about myself. I was lamenting/whining about how much of a burden being "responsible" can be I think :P
anonymous
  • anonymous
@agentx5 I do, indeed. I don't forget things that much. I also complete concur with your point. That is also true, @lgbasallote. I just, because becoming an ambassador is 1. voted on by other users and 2. like you said, so easy to become, not everyone is really watched before they are chosen, they are simply voted on. I think ambassadors should stick to welcoming people. @vishweshshrimali5 I see and understand your point. I even completely agree with it. However, we can't control them. Honestly, if we could limit chat to a particular subject that would be helpful but it is an unrealistic expectation.
lgbasallote
  • lgbasallote
@agentx5 you were talking about puberty o.O
anonymous
  • anonymous
That is weird, lgba. omg xD
lgbasallote
  • lgbasallote
@vishweshshrimali5 why do you need mature ambassadors? why do you need mature people welcoming users?
lgbasallote
  • lgbasallote
i think ambassadors just need to know their role and stick to it
anonymous
  • anonymous
I realize I'm fairly new to this website, I'm the newbie here. I'm talking about maturity, @lgbasallote , which sometimes has a lot to do with puberty, but not necessarily. In short, from a decade of direct experience with internet communities, you don't appoint children to positions of power, or position that give them the impression they have rested laurels. That said, nobody here is perfect. Mistakes will be made by adults or children both, but my theory here has reasoning that is proven time and time again.
lgbasallote
  • lgbasallote
i think the "head" should make it clear to the present and future ambassadors what they should do. nothing more. nothing less
anonymous
  • anonymous
Oh! and on another point @vishweshshrimali5 I actually enjoy seeing people have fun on chat. I don't appreciate the immaturity that often comes with it but overall, they are just kids goofing off. It helps with OpenStudy's goal of making studying seem fun. @lgbasallote I agree. That's all it is. I think some ambassadors are pushing for too much power and I really think it need to keep it as simplistic as possible. Welcome new users, show them around and carry on.
anonymous
  • anonymous
The idea behind ambassadors is sound. It marks an experienced & highly helpful user in a unique way that they have been appointed by those in charge. It is a mark of power in the community. To say they are just "door greeters" is BS. You know I'm right on this. It doesn't matter what YOU feel they are, it matters how they are PERCEIVED to be by others (hence why them having responsibility is paramount more than a regular member).
mathslover
  • mathslover
@rebeccaskell94 ...Do u accept ..that mistakes are done by each and every person ? Misunderstanding between users lead to mistakes I here by admit that i was that ambassador .. I also say *sorry* for that mistake.. I got that whole chat wrong .. That was my misunderstanding
lgbasallote
  • lgbasallote
it's not actually what WE feel they are @agentx5 it's actually what they REALLY are. if people perceive them wrongly then someone should explain their duty
anonymous
  • anonymous
Well @agentx5 the ambassadors that have been chosen thus far have simply been voted on by other users. They are not necessarily experienced or highly helpful. And, well, that is technically their position "door greeters". xD However, because they have the A they are expected to uphold a higher standard of ummm maturity? Idk the right word in this case. But, they are an example for the community and in that, I understand your point. @mathslover I didn't mention any names for a reason. Yes, I do agree everyone makes mistakes. Except me, I'm perfect. 0;)
mathslover
  • mathslover
@rebeccaskell94 why r u making this as a huge topic .. . ? I also agreed with u ... and stopped that arguments right at that time ..
anonymous
  • anonymous
@mathslover it is actually carrying on a point from yesterday that was never resolved.
anonymous
  • anonymous
It isn't about you, really, it was just a great example I could use.
mathslover
  • mathslover
:D @rebeccaskell94 ... @rebeccaskell94 According to me ... majority says that idea is no longer supported and i think that must be resolved now.. Chat is in control ..every thing is in control
mathslover
  • mathslover
have to go now ...sorry again guys \[\Huge{\textbf{Sorry}:'(}\]
lgbasallote
  • lgbasallote
im just arguing with @agentx5 here....we are having a peaceful debate here....
lgbasallote
  • lgbasallote
and btw @rebeccaskell94 ambassadors are voted by *the users*?
anonymous
  • anonymous
@mathslover you can call me Becca and your attitude is a bit aggravating. You are simply giving up because you aren't getting your way. Chat does not run OpenStudy by any stretch of the imagination. It runs very little of OpenStudy. If a user didn't open it, it would not affect their experience here one way or the other. If they got rid of chat OpenStudy would continue to run quite well. I, however, like chat and prefer it stay because it can be useful and enhance one's experience. It can also make it more negative but at that point reporting/minimizing would be useful. @lgbasallote sorry! haha They were voted on by the committee. I don't know if there is a committee anymore or just all of the ambassadors will vote on anyone else who joins the team.
lgbasallote
  • lgbasallote
i think you're getting wayyy ahead now @rebeccaskell94 heh
anonymous
  • anonymous
lol ahead of what?
lgbasallote
  • lgbasallote
you can deny it @rebeccaskell94 but you are one of the "main chatters" in openstudy ;) heh
lgbasallote
  • lgbasallote
you were saying something about getting rid of chat..that's wayyy ahead
anonymous
  • anonymous
haha actually, I was. I don't chat anywhere near as much. Oh! Well they won't get rid of chat. Blues mentioned it in a post yesterday haha That wasn't my point at all, sorry xD I should've clarified that.
lgbasallote
  • lgbasallote
heh you still are. i rarely see you on questions so that means you're in chat :p lol
anonymous
  • anonymous
lol it means I'm studying my own work xD or Chads... I only come on chat when I see users I like on, and it appears as though they avoid chat more and more as well.
lgbasallote
  • lgbasallote
anyway this post has strayed too far
anonymous
  • anonymous
@mathsolver Don't worry about it overmuch dude. Quoting myself: "That said, nobody here is perfect. Mistakes will be made by adults or children both, but my theory here has reasoning that is proven time and time again." I always try to say what I mean, and mean what I say ;-) @lgbasallote You misunderstand how communication works then... If the correct message isn't getting across that's the responsibility of BOTH the sender and receiver. People should listen better sure, but people should also learn to send their message so that it won't be misinterpreted. Perceptions DOES matter in social settings. Don't believe me make your appearance look as something stereotypical and watch how people treat you. (i.e.: dress up as a homeless vagabond in tattered unwashed clothing and head into a very fancy restaurant and try to walk through it without stopping, what the reactions of people) I don't really care for the style of humor of Tom Greene or Jackass, but definitely proved beyond a shadow of doubt to me that perceptions really really in social settings when you haven't gotten to know the other person on a closer level. To add proof to my claims, even I initially I perceived them to be some sort of moderators initially, and I was far from the only one. I asked "Why do you have an A for Anarchy symbol in front of your name?" and that's how I learned what it was. Wearing gold wings on your uniform in the military marks you as pilot, without having to say anything. Talk is cheap compared to what is observed. The A is a clear and present effect that such individuals are more unique and chosen in the community. Be warned, all of you reading this, mistaken impressions are hard to wash out in a community. Very hard. This is why I always try to be myself, even if I'm a rather chaotic person, I keep it real and even show my sense of humor from time to time.
mathslover
  • mathslover
:D i know and understand my duties ..@rebeccaskell94 ..
anonymous
  • anonymous
hmmm *runs finger through beard, thinking...* This is quite well. I absolutely agree with @agentx5! Your post was well thought out and very clear.
lgbasallote
  • lgbasallote
btw @rebeccaskell94 i dont think chat would or should be taken away because if you notice chat is where the new users always hang out. if the chat will be taken away they'll be less welcomed so i dont think it would or should be taken away
mathslover
  • mathslover
..i agree @agentx5 .. may i know the final debate topic up here so that i can participate also
anonymous
  • anonymous
omg I just said they won't take it away. I was making an exaggerated statement.
Ledah
  • Ledah
This still makes the "an extra two mods or so" look good...
mathslover
  • mathslover
EXTRA 2 mods... I still disagree .. why do we need more mods ?
Ledah
  • Ledah
Because then we wouldn't have ambassadors acting like the mods. and the ambassadors can do THEIR appointed job.
Ledah
  • Ledah
I've noticed this from time to time. I actually pay attention
mathslover
  • mathslover
@Ledah So let me go more deeper ... ] Why do we need ambassadors act like mods ? just because to end chat trolling right ? BUT i think that this is ended now .. I have noticed that ... now there are negligible trolls and abusive comments ...
lgbasallote
  • lgbasallote
@agentx5 i agree with your stereotype point. but you yourself said that you learned later on what ambassadors really were isnt that right?
Ledah
  • Ledah
Must I get mentioned everytime..?
mathslover
  • mathslover
And that are only at an instant time ... but i think the os level and decorum is increasing day by day ..the users are getting mature and due to the awareness of CoC --> the users are knowing their reponsibilities .. . Now coming to the point : Ambassadors ... At this instant . . . my opinion says that : the present mods are enough and we DONT NEED ANY MORE MODS .. also i will like to say that the os system is working fine .. and ambys present responsibilities are fine ..
lgbasallote
  • lgbasallote
@Ledah im going to quote myself here "add more mods? this is just some heavy burden for the admins to watch. and also the constant addition of new moderators kind of diminishes the value of moderators.keeping the moderators low in number makes them very valuable and people will not see that it's simple to become a moderator, thus giving them more respect. while it is true that adding more moderators can help reduce human effort, that's the job of machines as well. but we dont have botmods do we?"
mathslover
  • mathslover
i agree deeply with u @lgbasallote
Ledah
  • Ledah
The present mods are not always active. How could an extra two or one not help? I'm being completely serious. you guys are just like parth shooting for the "demi-mod theory"
anonymous
  • anonymous
Moderators, Admins, Ambassadors, whatever, what matter is the purpose, the goal. So, in your own words: WHAT IS THE GOAL OF THIS WEBSITE?
anonymous
  • anonymous
@lgbasallote this is where my comment came in @blues said "The alternative to appointing more mods is to get rid of the chat rooms. Plain and simple." Sorry, I really should have clarified that. Also, I think that either we have 2 mods, (1 seems like it would defeat the purpose and 3 seems unnecessary) or we get over it. @mathslover had a point when he said the trolls aren't that bad. However, the issue isn't so much trolls at this point as it is users who know the rules and refuse to follow them, at which point the report button hasn't been broken, that I know of. So either way, it works for me. Also on this subject, I think that 1 or 2 more mods won't lessen their presence @lgbasallote. As we have been discussing they rarely really "show themselves" so it wouldn't really make a difference in that regard. On another note about mod; We supposedly have 2 on right now. They are no where to be found. Of course, it was be unreasonable to expect them to moderate everything at once, but it is just an observation.
Ledah
  • Ledah
Why am I being triple teamed? For stating the point about our mods rarely being active.
anonymous
  • anonymous
What? I don't know what you are saying, Ledah.
anonymous
  • anonymous
I'm inclined to agree with you actually @Ledah , try not to take things personally mmk? More moderators is possibly a very good thing, but it goes back to the purpose...
anonymous
  • anonymous
I think I need to create a new topic/question... This discussion is pretty much resolved
mathslover
  • mathslover
@Ledah I also raised that point : they generally said that : report them .. I always thought that : reporting doesnot make this problem resolved .. in fact i noticed that : whenever a user has been reported then any of the mods get online at that time .... and gets the problem resolved .. that is what we are wanting ... hence i will not support for adding more mods or giving more duties to ambassadors .. I'll like to say that : Mods are not inactive .. but they are just watching the activites of all of us.. At correct time they do their respective work very greatly ....
mathslover
  • mathslover
I think the problem is now resolved is it @rebeccaskell94 ?
anonymous
  • anonymous
Well, no, not really. 1. It wasn't meant to be a debate point between users. I want a mod to see it. 2. Agentx5 is still typing. 3. Nothing was solved, only more opinions were given.
mathslover
  • mathslover
btw sorry for late reply
anonymous
  • anonymous
No worries
Ledah
  • Ledah
All you guys did was pretty much attack me with more questions.
Ledah
  • Ledah
And another thing. The mods are not always there like you think they are @mathslover
mathslover
  • mathslover
@Ledah that is what i said : : : whenever a person reports and the mods / admins think that is a huge matter ... they usually come online at that instant
mathslover
  • mathslover
I just want to say that Saying that " Mods are inactive " --> does not reflect a good point ... any meaning also ..
mathslover
  • mathslover
But they may be OFFLINE at their sleeping time ;)
mathslover
  • mathslover
I didn't want to disapoint u @Ledah ..I just put up my point here...Cheers ! ledah
Ledah
  • Ledah
Even when there is a flaw in your point?
anonymous
  • anonymous
Okay, I'm not sure what the debate between @mathslover and @Ledah is or what exactly they are talking about but for clarification purposes: Mods do what they can. They cannot always be on, realistically. They have lives and OpenStudy is merely a part of it. Overall, the mods do an absolutely amazing job, considering how well this site is run. They cannot and likely will not babysit this site. My only point/comment to make is that I think we are expecting something that is not realistic.
mathslover
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Ledah
  • Ledah
What wouldn't be realistic?
anonymous
  • anonymous
Expecting that every time there is an issue it is immediately taken care of.
Ledah
  • Ledah
That's what I was trying to say myself. but it always seems I'm not even listened to in this conversation.
anonymous
  • anonymous
Like, I said, though, I'm not sure what the debate between you and mathslover is so I have no idea if it is even relevant.
anonymous
  • anonymous
Sorry, I got confused between you two. My apologies.
mathslover
  • mathslover
I think : Debate : must have favor and against ... There is no fight between us ... I do hope.. Should i ledah ?
Ledah
  • Ledah
I was going to tell mathslover that issues are NEVER immediately taken care of. And that sometimes they cannot be taken care of right away.
anonymous
  • anonymous
Ah! Okay :) Sounds good haha
Ledah
  • Ledah
Merely a debate and rousing argument
Ledah
  • Ledah
Well counter arguments I should say
anonymous
  • anonymous
I am waiting with bated breathe to see what agentx5 is going to reply with.
Ledah
  • Ledah
that'd be breath
Ledah
  • Ledah
:D you know I mean well anyway
anonymous
  • anonymous
That's what I meant xD I didn't want to make an extra post correcting it though xD thanksss
anonymous
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@mathslover I think your mini debate in my post is over. Please let it go now
anonymous
  • anonymous
Ah hell that was supposed to be a separate topic, one sec...
Ledah
  • Ledah
It was like a novel.
anonymous
  • anonymous
Breathtaking. Give me a sec to read it and I shall make my extremely knowledgable reply.
mathslover
  • mathslover
Yohoo i am the first to read that all :D
anonymous
  • anonymous
I'm deleting that post here, moving it over. One sec, I'm having to break it in two.
amistre64
  • amistre64
ugh, i lost focus after like the 5th reply ....
Ledah
  • Ledah
Lol I think we all did
anonymous
  • anonymous
You and me both -__- It wasn't even supposed to be a debate between users.
amistre64
  • amistre64
inactive mods, whats the beef with that again?
anonymous
  • anonymous
People are complaining because they don't like it when they make a report or see something they don't like and you guys (mods) don't answer right away.
anonymous
  • anonymous
Here is my reply to all of that, to save you the effort: Mods do what they can. They cannot always be on, realistically. They have lives and OpenStudy is merely a part of it. Overall, the mods do an absolutely amazing job, considering how well this site is run. They cannot and likely will not babysit this site. My only point/comment to make is that I think we are expecting something that is not realistic.
anonymous
  • anonymous
oohh you make a good point. *fiendish sense of delight*
Ledah
  • Ledah
Evil.. see I always try seeing if I can try stopping problems from escalating first before reporting. I want to believe that things can change for that person.
amistre64
  • amistre64
thats the equivalent of a mod warning then; communicate with the offender, if the behaviour is severe enough, selfMod it :)
Ledah
  • Ledah
usually I can selfMod chat. and I've been able to change things around completely. but sometimes my warning isn't enough.
amistre64
  • amistre64
most times, my warnings aint enough either :/
Ledah
  • Ledah
They actually listen to mods more than a normal user.
amistre64
  • amistre64
are there statistics to back that up ;)
Ledah
  • Ledah
o_o not sure. but sometimes they listen to me or times they listen to mods.
anonymous
  • anonymous
wow xD
Ledah
  • Ledah
xD
anonymous
  • anonymous
haha well I have to say, I also, do what Ledah does. However, I do my very best to avoid the nasty report button. It's so scary lol I think that is the best way; To tell them what they are doing that is an infraction of the rules/CoC. Ledah, you are cool. xD
Ledah
  • Ledah
Lol Thanks a lot. I'll continue to be the best I can :P
anonymous
  • anonymous
Carry on c;
lgbasallote
  • lgbasallote
i like @amistre64 he's not against self modding lol. but i think the mods are right to not try to do what the mods are doing. it just leads to more trouble, even if you're good at it. i for one never got anyone angry at me for telling them they're wrong but yet i was banned from doing the act. for your safety i think you shouldnt self mod either heh. unless it's personal. if it's personal settle it with talks first :DDD

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