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BTaylor
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Write a function that describes this situation (pics coming...)
Two circles, radius 1, are drawn so their centers are 3 in. apart. Points marked on the circles rotate at a speed of 1 rotation every 4 seconds. Find a function that describes the distance (d) between the two marked points at any time (t).
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BTaylor Group Title
Write a function that describes this situation (pics coming...) Two circles, radius 1, are drawn so their centers are 3 in. apart. Points marked on the circles rotate at a speed of 1 rotation every 4 seconds. Find a function that describes the distance (d) between the two marked points at any time (t).
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BTaylor Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I know it will be periodic, and can calculate for integral values of t (0,1,2,3,4,etc) but can't figure out how to find when t isn't a whole number.
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BTaylor Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@ParthKohli @agentx5 can you help?
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agentx5 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Gear ratios? I still trying to understand this question the way it's worded, but if that's the case it's just a matter of the ratios of the radii, like you would for pulleys or gears.
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agentx5 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Ah wait cycloids...
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BTaylor Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
no, both are rotating clockwise.
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agentx5 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
http://www.daviddarling.info/images/cycloid.gif (prolate, nested function)
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agentx5 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Which of course is going to make it look a whole lot like a sine function
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BTaylor Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
yeah, but a cycloid only describes 1 point. I'm looking for distance between the 2 points.
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agentx5 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
I know that, which is why it'll end up being two of those together making it a sine function when I think about it visually. If they were touching it would be double amplitude and half period.
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agentx5 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
The tricky part is that they start out with an initial distance that also changes with respect to time
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agentx5 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Or does it... Hmm, might just be additive.
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BTaylor Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
this is what i've figured out: \[d(0)= 1\]\[d(1) = \sqrt{13}\]\[d(2) = 5\]\[d(3)= \sqrt{13}\]
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agentx5 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
dw:1343667310281:dw
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agentx5 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
They are pulleys, not gears in this case. dw:1343667494092:dw
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BTaylor Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
at time t=.5, dw:1343667478687:dw so we get roughly a triangle:dw:1343667609895:dw by pyth. theorem, \[d=\sqrt{2+2.514} \approx 2.124\]
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BTaylor Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
t(.5) = t(3.5) right?
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agentx5 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Input your angular frequency and your initial condition (+1 inch), phase shift is zero here, for the formula see in this link. Your function should match my sketch above. When it does you can plug in any value for t and you'll have your distance at time t. Local max will be 5 every time, local min will be 1 every time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sine_wave Also review: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_frequency
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Standard form for this parametric is: \[y(t,x) = (A) \sin (\omega t  kx + \phi) + D\] In this case double A for amplitude Phi is zero D = 1
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agentx5 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
all you need to find is the angular frequency and see how the wave number will cancel out This formula can be used to construct any wave formula, but you'll need to figure out a few facts about the wave. At the moment I'm on a bit of a time crunch today so leave you to the number crunching :D
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BTaylor Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@agentx5 @ganeshie8 I figured out d as a function of the angle: \[d(\theta) = \sqrt{(2 \sin \theta)^2 + (3  2 \cos \theta)^2}\]Tips on getting it as a function of time?
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BTaylor Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ah...got it: \[d(t) = \sqrt{(2 \sin (\frac{\pi x}{2}))^2 + (32 \cos (\frac{\pi x}{2}))^2}\]
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agentx5 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Angular frequency relates the rate of the angular rotation per time (i.e.: degrees per second, or radians per second, or rpm). That's is how you shall have to relate time. I've tried finding something comparable to help you out but everything I've found has to do with energy, mechanical advantage, and torque, which doesn't help much here...
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agentx5 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
That actually looks plausible as an answer, but double check the phase shifts for sin and cosine. The net function should be similar to what I described initially, plot it on a calculator on on Wolf or something and see what it looks like.
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BTaylor Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
https://www.desmos.com/calculator is my preferable graphing tool...and it works!
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agentx5 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Highest distance should be when they're both "pointing" away, and shortest distance should be when they are "pointing" towards. I would test the horizontal and vertical cases as test angles to make sure your function works (that's 4 test cases). ;D
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BTaylor Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@across is there an easy way to figure this out?
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