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Is information (in classical physics) transferred at light speed? Or is it assumed to be instantaneous? What is actually going on in examples such as: 1) An electron in space is surrounded by a capacitor which is connected to a closed circuit. Microsecond by microsecond, what happens? If I have two perfectly rigid boxes, one behind the other, and I push one on the side on a frictionless floor, when will the other box know it's being pushed?

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  1. telltoamit Group Title
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    i think its instantaneous

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  2. vf321 Group Title
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    Assumed to be so or is?

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  3. telltoamit Group Title
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    thats what i think lol

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  4. 009infinity Group Title
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    yes the information is rtansferred at the speed of light

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  5. vf321 Group Title
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    really? So what would happen in the electron problem? The moment an atom of the metal in the switch touches the other side, the electron moves?

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  6. 009infinity Group Title
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    first tell which type of current is in the circuit ac or dc

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  7. vf321 Group Title
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    you have a battery (dc) of some EP hooked up to a switch and cap in series. an electron is in the space between the cap plates. You switch it on.

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  8. 009infinity Group Title
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    electron will move towards +ve terminal

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    instantaneous current will start flowing in circuit

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  10. vf321 Group Title
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    assuming it's a perfect switch of course

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  11. henpen Group Title
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    You need 'stuff' to transfer information. No thing (no 'stuff') can travel faster than light, so no. AT BEST, information (about ANYTHING) travels AT the speed of light, never above.

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  12. henpen Group Title
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    That was the relativistic answer. Qunatum mechanics muddies the waters considerably (google quantum entanglement).

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  13. 009infinity Group Title
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    is information ok

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  14. vf321 Group Title
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    yeah @henpen I heard about that

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  15. henpen Group Title
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    But rereading the question, as long as you aren't doing electromagnetism you can approximate that it does.

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  16. vf321 Group Title
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    eventually we'll have quantum computers with entangled memories - and finally no lag!

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  17. vf321 Group Title
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    OK. so the current has to reach the capacitor, as I understand it.

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    An good example is about 4 mins into http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi1H_9JOwkI

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  19. vf321 Group Title
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    But what about the boxes example?

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  20. 009infinity Group Title
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    other box will start accelerating as soon as ist box starts motion

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  21. henpen Group Title
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    Are all your questions to do with the original information question?

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  22. henpen Group Title
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    As in, do we assume that information can't travel faster than for that question?

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  23. vf321 Group Title
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    @henpen I don't understand what you're saying. But I watched the video, and it seems to me that all forces can transfer their information at the speed of light (at most), since that information is transferred through the force's field particles (if I am not mistaken).

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    Then only quantum entanglement is the instantaneous one. And I'm not going to pretend to know how that works.

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    Basically, it's impossible to have a totally rigid body. If you have light year long scissors (even really strong), if you close then quickly they will bend.

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    okay then the stress/microscopic compressions in the first box will delay the force's movement across it by however much.

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  27. vf321 Group Title
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    But is my assumption about the light speed of forces true?

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  28. henpen Group Title
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    Yes and Yes.

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  29. vf321 Group Title
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    max speed of light speed*

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  30. vf321 Group Title
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    OK. Cool. that answers a lot, thanks!

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