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Challenge: Use Newton's Method to approximate the zero of the following function using \(10 \pi\) as the initial value. And yes, it DOES coverge. \[f(x) = \frac{1}{2} + \frac{x^2}{4} - x \sin(x) - \frac{\cos(2x)}{2}\]

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  1. lgbasallote Group Title
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    <--i hate math

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  2. Hero Group Title
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    Are you going to try it or not?

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  3. lgbasallote Group Title
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    nope. no idea

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  4. mathmate Group Title
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    @Hero , why don't you try it, is there a problem?

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  5. Hero Group Title
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    I posted this as a challenge. Do you know what that means? It means I already know the answer and I'm challenging others to try it as well.

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  6. Hero Group Title
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    I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time you've seen users post "challenges"

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  7. mathmate Group Title
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    Oh, I see!

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  8. mathmate Group Title
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    It probably will converge, but to which root? Are you looking for a particular one?

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  9. Hero Group Title
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    All you have to do is use \(10 \pi\) as the initial root and see what it converges to. When you find the number, post it on here.

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  10. mathmate Group Title
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    So you want us to blindly find a root, and you don't care which of the three we give you?

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  11. Hero Group Title
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    I have to warn you though.... Challenges are usually not "easy"

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  12. mathmate Group Title
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    Why start with 10 pi, so far from the roots?

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  13. Hero Group Title
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    Not "blindly". The only thing you need to use Newton's method are the following: 1. Newton's Formula 2. f(x) 3. f'(x) 4. The initial value

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  14. Hero Group Title
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    Because that's part of the "challenge" of course.

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  15. mathmate Group Title
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    I call it blindly when we don't have any judgment to make, or stick to our preferences! :)

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  16. Hero Group Title
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    The bit about how far \(10 \pi\) is from the root is only relative. It is pretty close to one of the roots compared to infinity.

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  17. mathmate Group Title
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    Hey, everything is close when compared to infinity!

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  18. Hero Group Title
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    Okay, so are you going to solve this challenge or not?

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  19. Hero Group Title
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    Right now, you're just teasing

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  20. mathmate Group Title
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    Just wanted to find out what you're after! I'll be back.

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  21. Hero Group Title
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    Well, you better hurry up before someone else figures it out! lol

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  22. mathmate Group Title
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    :)

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  23. Hero Group Title
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    @asnaseer, you're more than welcome to contribute

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  24. asnaseer Group Title
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    -1.8955 is what I get (approx)

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  25. Hero Group Title
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    See what I mean @mathmate

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  26. asnaseer Group Title
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    in 13 iterations

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  27. Hero Group Title
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    Impressive.

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  28. Hero Group Title
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    What tool did you use to calculate it?

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  29. asnaseer Group Title
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    I calculates the derivative, then plugged it into the Newton-Raphson equation and entered that into Wolfram as this: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=y%3Dx%2B%281%2Bx^2%2F2-2*x*sin%28x%29-cos%282x%29%29%2F%28x-2sin%28x%29%29%282cos%28x%29-1%29+for+x%3D10pi this gave a value for y, which I then plugged back into x in wolfram and continued this iteration

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  30. asnaseer Group Title
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    until it converged

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  31. Hero Group Title
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    Wow, only 13 iterations is impressive.

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  32. asnaseer Group Title
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    well - wolf did most of the hard slog here :)

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  33. Hero Group Title
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    I did it in less than 13

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  34. asnaseer Group Title
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    sorry - it took 12 iterations not 13 :)

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  35. asnaseer Group Title
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    for 4 decimal place accuracy that is

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  36. Hero Group Title
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    Funny thing is, if you use mathematica, maple, or any ready-made program to do it, it will say that it doesn't converge.

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  37. Hero Group Title
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    I did it using TI-Nspire in the same manual manner as you and got it.

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  38. asnaseer Group Title
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    I assume TI-Nspire is some sort of scientific calculator?

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  39. Hero Group Title
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    You don't know what TI-Nspire is?

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  40. asnaseer Group Title
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    nope :)

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  41. Hero Group Title
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    You should look it up

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  42. asnaseer Group Title
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    I have a Mac - why would I also need a calculator?

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    Well, I guess if you are not still in school, it won't be of very much use to you. I just like to play around with it. Plus you can program all kinds of stuff on it.

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    I left school (and Uni) a loooong time ago my friend - and I use the Mac at home and a windows PC at work to program in. so I don't really need a calculator as such these days. :)

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  45. Hero Group Title
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    Good for you. Maybe you can look into it for your kids who might want one some day.

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  46. asnaseer Group Title
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    good point - I will - I guess from the manner in which you are promoting it, it must be a good calculator?

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  47. Hero Group Title
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    I don't recommend stuff that isn't impressive. I think you should at least try out the student software. It's something you can download onto your computer and play around with.

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  48. asnaseer Group Title
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    there seem to be lots of variants - is there a particular model that ou would recommend?

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  49. Hero Group Title
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    The latest model. TI-Nspire CAS models. CX is the latest version

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  50. Hero Group Title
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    But I would recommend you try out the student software just to get the hang of the usage.

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  51. asnaseer Group Title
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    this one? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Texas-Instruments-Graphic-Calculator-Science/dp/B0052RU8TO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1347150004&sr=8-1

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  52. asnaseer Group Title
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    and where do I get this software from?

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  53. Hero Group Title
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    Yeah, I was just about to mention that you should go to TI's site to get the software. I can post a link to that.

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  54. asnaseer Group Title
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    yes please

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  55. Hero Group Title
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    Are you using the Mac or Windows at the moment?

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  56. asnaseer Group Title
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    I use both - but I am on the Mac at the moment

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  57. asnaseer Group Title
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    thanks Hero - greatly appreciated! :)

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    The homepage of the site is simply ti.com

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  59. asnaseer Group Title
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    ok

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  60. Hero Group Title
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    It's the best calculator ever, that's why I'm surprised you never heard of it.

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  61. asnaseer Group Title
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    us old fogeys don't always keep up with the latest gadgets! :D

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