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ilovemath7
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If I need to find a closed solution for the summation of x*a^x from x = 0 to n, what do I do? For starters, I've decided to do an integral from 0 to b of the same function, but now I have 2 variables! ah! Help please :D
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ilovemath7 Group Title
If I need to find a closed solution for the summation of x*a^x from x = 0 to n, what do I do? For starters, I've decided to do an integral from 0 to b of the same function, but now I have 2 variables! ah! Help please :D
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The only hint I was given was to take the integral of the function I was trying to take the summation of. But, now I have\[\int\limits_{0}^{b}x*a^x da\]
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ilovemath7 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I can't seem to do a usub that will work for me.
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ilovemath7 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I want to assume that x is a constant and pull it outside, but I don't know if I can do that.
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extremity Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
you can, since youre differentiating with respect to a.
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ilovemath7 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Because S = (0)a^(0) + (1)a^(1)...+(n)a^(n); you see why I think it's a constant?
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ilovemath7 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Yes! But what happens to the other x?
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extremity Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
wel, the other x is a constant too right?
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extremity Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
whats the integral of a^x , if x is constant?
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I have a wonderful solution to this, I believe.
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ilovemath7 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Bring it :D
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ilovemath7 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
hm, you are right extremity
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ilovemath7 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
\[\int\limits_{0}^{b}a^x da\]?
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[ \sum_{x=0}^n xa^{\lambda x} = \sum_{x=0}^n \frac{d}{d\lambda} \frac{a^{\lambda x}}{\ln(a)} = \frac{1}{\ln(a)} \frac{d}{d\lambda} \sum_{x=0}^n a^{\lambda x}\] \[ = \frac{1}{\ln(a)} \frac{d}{d\lambda} \frac{1 a^{\lambda (n+1)}}{1 a^\lambda}\]
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ilovemath7 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
\[a^{x+1} /(x+1)\]
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ilovemath7 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
where'd you get lambda?
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
just made it up. Set it to 1 when you're all done.
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ilovemath7 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
it's to differentiate x from the exponent?
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
yep. I may have made a typo, but I'm getting \[ \frac{a(n+1) a^n  n}{(1a)^2} \] as a final result. Assuming of course that a does not equal 1.
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Oops, I did make a typo
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
should be \[ \frac{na^{n+2}  na^{n+1}  a^{n+1} + a}{(1a)^2} \]
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
And wolfram alpha confirms. Awesome.
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
By the way, if a = 1, obviously the sum is just \[ \sum_{x=0}^n x = \frac{n(n+1)}{2}\]
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ilovemath7 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Thanks! I am going back over this to make sure I understand. Thanks for all your help!
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
No problem. Be careful with your derivatives. And @TuringTest / @Gravion should recognize this technique.... ;)
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ilovemath7 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Are you still on?
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ilovemath7 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I have a question: what if I need to use the hint (i.e., that's what they want us to do). I kinda see what you are doing, but I can move on from the integral from 0 to infinity of x*a^x
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ilovemath7 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
the integral doesn't converge, so...
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
That is the hint. I integrated, then differentiated.
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
And it should converge if a is sufficiently small.
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
If a < 1, that reduces to \[ \frac{a}{(1a)^2} \]
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ilovemath7 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I'm sorry, I'm thrown off by the ln(a). I can't get it in my own work...
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ilovemath7 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I'm getting a^(x+1)/ (x+1) though, which I can use on the limits of intergration...but then I get x[infinity  a] which doesn't make sense!
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Did you follow my reasoning up until the part where you take the derivative?
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ilovemath7 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
um, actually no. I don't understand d/dlambda
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ilovemath7 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
you said you made lamda upto differentiate from the other x (I guess) but then how do you also do a derivative for it?
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ilovemath7 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
wait, the "integrate then differentiate" thing is what I am supposed to do (that's the hint they gave" but I dunno why I can't understand this!
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I invented a parameter to put in the problem, differentiated and integrated with respect to said parameter, and at the end of the day, after everything was done, I set that parameter to 1.
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Jemurray3 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
It's not a trivial series to sum, what class are you doing this for?
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