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\[y''+2y'+y=xe^{x}\]
\[r^2+2r+1=0\]
\[r_1=r_2=1\]
\[y_c=c_1e^{x}+c_2e^{x}\]
for y_p would I have (before I derive it and solve for A)
\[y_p=Ae^{x}\]
or
\[y_p=Axe^{x}\]
?
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MathSofiya Group Title
\[y''+2y'+y=xe^{x}\] \[r^2+2r+1=0\] \[r_1=r_2=1\] \[y_c=c_1e^{x}+c_2e^{x}\] for y_p would I have (before I derive it and solve for A) \[y_p=Ae^{x}\] or \[y_p=Axe^{x}\] ?
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lgbasallote Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
your y_c is wrong
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
it's 1
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
mah bad...
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lgbasallote Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
it should be \[y_c = c_1 e^{x} + c_2 x e^{x}\] see your mistake?
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
yeah r=1
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lgbasallote Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
i was actually referring to the x by c2
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lgbasallote Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
if you have repeated roots you attach least power of x to the next arbitrary constant, remember?
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
oh I'm sorry I see it now
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lgbasallote Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
so do you know what y_p should be now?
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
what does that have to do with y_p? isn't y_p based on what the RHS of the original equation is?
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lgbasallote Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
are you using undetermined coefficients or variation of parameters>
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lgbasallote Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
based on your question i presumed you were doing variation....which depends on the complementary solution....
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I don't quite know what either of those mean, but I trying to do it based on \[y_p=Ae^{bx}\]
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
please don't shoot me :S
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I'm willing to learn =)
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lgbasallote Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
can you describe to me the method you're familiar with? does it involve deriving the yp?
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
according to my book I'm doing it based on THE METHOD OF UNDETERMINED COEFFICIENTS
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lgbasallote Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
oh that
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
yeah lol I guess THE METHOD OF VARIATION OF PARAMETERS is the next section....I haven't started that yet :P
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lgbasallote Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
\[y_p = Ae^{bx}\] only works if you don't have repeated roots. for repeated roots, you use \[y_p = Ae^{bx} + Bxe^{bx}\]
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lgbasallote Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
because like i said before, if you have repeated roots, you attach the least power of x to the succeeding constant. Since you have xe^x on the right side, there must be an e^x before it
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lgbasallote Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
does that make sense?
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
"least power of x to the succeeding constant" meaning \[y_c = c_1 e^{x} + c_2 x e^{x}\] referring to the x after the c_2
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lgbasallote Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
yes. that. but in this case, we're doing y_p
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[y_p=Ae^{x}+Bxe^{x}\]
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
and then I just do the derivative twice to solve for A and B
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lgbasallote Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
sounds right
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
thank ya!
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lgbasallote Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
welcome
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
What did I do wrong? I get 0=x \[y_p=Ae^{x}+Bxe^{x}\] \[y_p'=Ae^{x}Bxe^{x}(x1)\] \[y_p''=Ae^{x}+Be^{x}(x2)\]
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Algebraic! Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
y ' =Ae^(x) (x1)Be^(x) you have an extra x in there..
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
oh I see
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ok I'll try it again
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I still get a zero for x....I'll show my work, give me a second to type it :)
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Algebraic! Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Hold up.
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Algebraic! Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I think you need a C*x^2*ex term as part of your solution...
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
e^(x)?
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Why a \[Cx^2e^{x}\] ?
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I think I'm gonna start a new thread. This one is getting too long
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Algebraic! Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
the problem is that your forcing function is the same as one of the solutions to the homogeneous equation.
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Algebraic! Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
so without a term that doesn't end up being zero, you're not going to be able to ever get your DE to be 'forced'.
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Algebraic! Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
There's a quantitative way to justify it, but I can't recall how it goes. The point is xe^x is the forcing term and one of the solutions to the homogeneous. So you need another term in your yp if you're ever going to get an actual solution that satisfies the original nonhomogeneous equation.
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Algebraic! Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Qualitatively speaking, you need a faster transient, because the forcing term is resonant with the system, so the whole thing is getting driven to x*e^x harder than any of the terms you're using now can drive it.
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Algebraic! Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Hope that helps; probably not, but I tried:)
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Yeah It kinda makes sense.
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