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MathSofiya
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\[y''+y'2y=x+sin2x\]
\[y(0)=1\]
\[y'(0)=0\]
auxiliary equation:
\[r^2+r2=0\]
\[r_1=2, r_2=1\]
\[y_c(x)=C_1e^{2x}+C_2e^x\]
\[y''+y'2y=x\]
\[y_{p1}(x)=Ax+B\]
\[y_{p1}'(x)=A\]
\[y_{p1}''(x)=0\]
\[A=\frac12\]
\[B=1\]
\[y_{p1}=\frac12x1\]
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MathSofiya Group Title
\[y''+y'2y=x+sin2x\] \[y(0)=1\] \[y'(0)=0\] auxiliary equation: \[r^2+r2=0\] \[r_1=2, r_2=1\] \[y_c(x)=C_1e^{2x}+C_2e^x\] \[y''+y'2y=x\] \[y_{p1}(x)=Ax+B\] \[y_{p1}'(x)=A\] \[y_{p1}''(x)=0\] \[A=\frac12\] \[B=1\] \[y_{p1}=\frac12x1\]
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Now on to yp_2, where I'm having some trouble...here is how far I've gotten.
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\[y''+y'2y=sin2x\] \[y_{p2}(x)=Axcos2x+Bxsin2x\] \[y_{p2}'(x)=2Acos2x2Axsin2x+2Bsin2x+2Bxcos2x\] \[y_{p2}''(x)=4Asin2x4Axcos2x+4Bcos2x4Bxsin2x\]
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@satellite73
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
really i am sorry i have no clue
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psi9epsilon Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
there is no need to select Ax cos 2x + Bx sin 2x the reason is , if you take out x as a common factor, then that "x" is actually part of a solution so you are bound to get incorrect solutions
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So what should I do?
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psi9epsilon Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Did you try this using wronskian
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I don't know what that is
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psi9epsilon Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
can you use wikipedia to understand that method, use the keywords "wronskian equation" or "wronskian determinant" I would use that approach to solve, I will use the method followed by you only under the cases where wronskian is 0
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did you look up wronskian
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across Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
You made a mistake assuming the form of \(y_{p_2}\): I don't know if you've heard of the concept of an "annihilator" before, but the differential operator \((D^2+4)\) annihilates \(\sin2x\). If we apply it to your ODE, we get:\[\begin{align}(D^2+4)(D^2+D2)y&=(D^2+4)\sin2x,\\(m^2+4)(m^2+m2)&=0,\\(m\pm2i)(m+2)(m1)&=0.\end{align}\]Hence, \(y_{p_2}=A\cos2x+B\sin2x\). This is different from what you got up there; notice that there is no \(x\) multiplying neither \(\cos\) nor \(\sin\). Now try and try and wrap it up as you would from here.
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why is it \[D^2+4\]? Is it standard for the annihilator method or where did the 4 come from?
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I''m watching Khan's academy videos right now...I should have a better understanding in an hour or so
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across Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
The differential operator\[\left[D^22\alpha D+\left(\alpha^2+\beta^2\right)\right]^n\]anihilates each of the functions\[e^{\alpha x}\cos\beta x, xe^{\alpha x}\cos\beta x, \dots, x^{n1}e^{\alpha x}\cos\beta x,\\e^{\alpha x}\sin\beta x, xe^{\alpha x}\sin\beta x, \dots, x^{n1}e^{\alpha x}\sin\beta x.\]
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across Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
In your case, \(\alpha=0\) and \(\beta=2\).
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
I'm sure @across knows exactly what she's talking about and I don't, but I would just make a single \(y_p\) which is the sum of the two individual ones
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the guess for \(\cos(Ax)\) or \(\sin(Ax)\) is \(y_p=B\cos(Ax)+C\sin(Ax)\)
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so add your two together and get\[y_p=Ax+B+C\cos(2x)+D\cos(2x)\]
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not sure why you picked up the extra x on \(y _2\)
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across Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
That's correct. It follows from the principle of superposition given differential operators are linear transformations. :) I was thrown off a little bit when I saw @MathSofiya formulating two particular solutions, but then told myself: "heck, it's the same thing anyway." So I went with her approach, but I'd also combine them. @TuringTest, that's right, but the term with the \(D\) coefficient should be a \(\sin\) (you could invert them, too, it doesn't matter).
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@across oh yes, of of course, typo :P I'm also now remembering the annihilator thing you did, the need to add the 4 coming from differntiating sin(2x) twice and getting 4 right? (sorry to interject, just trying to remember)
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I still have two more videos to watch...brb, (hopefully it will make more sense then...)
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
or look quickly at example 8d here (not that POMN is that thorough...)
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http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/DE/UndeterminedCoefficients.aspx
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as was said, it's the superposition principle at work is all
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That's right, @TuringTest. Given \(\sin2x\), applying the differential operator \(D^2+4\) to it yields:\[\begin{align}(D^2+4)\sin2x&=D^2\sin2x+4\sin2x\\&=2D\cos2x+4\sin2x\\&=4\sin2x+4\sin2x\\&=0.\end{align}\]:)
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thanks! Gotta get sharp on that technique
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Let's start from \[y''+y'2y=x+sin2x\] and \[y_p\] It's still not making much sense
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if it were just g(x)=x our guess would be Yp=Ax+B, right?
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and if it were just g(x)=sin(2x) what would the guess be?
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Asin2x+Bcos2x?
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right, but let's call A=C and B=D so as not to confuse them with the other guess; they are not the same constants
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so for g(x)=x+sin(2x) Yp=(Ax+B)+(Csin(2x)+Dsin(2x)) which is just the sum (superposition/linear combination) of our two guesses
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since nothing on the right side is a linear combination f anything in the complimentary solution, your solutions are all linearly dependent i.e. we don't need to screw with them any more by adding more x's or anything
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linearly independent*
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hence the guess for the particular is\[y_p=Ax+B+C\sin(2x)+B\cos(2x)\]the guess for the g(x)=x part+ the guess for the g(x)=sin(2x) part making a little more sense (sorry that I seemed to have discouraged @across from giving her I'm sure much more insightful answer)
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I understand it now! Is that it?....or I still gotta solve for A B and C of course
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across Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
No! That's totally fine. :) I couldn't have said it better.
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
thanks :) so yeah, now it's business as usual (certainly a bit tedious, but straightforward I think)
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I honestly don't feel like checking your work apart from wolfram, which is not always reliable, but hopefully you will agree.
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LOL....Yeah I got this from here on. Thanks Turing!
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Thanks to you too @across
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
so I can skip the annihilator method (I rather avoid it because it looks confusing)
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it looks like wolfram wants to say A=1/2 I will play with the system to find the constants, but I'm not going to rush it.
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http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=y''%2By'2y%3Dx%2Bsin(2x)%2C%20y(0)%3D1%2C%20y'(0)%3D0&t=crmtb01 though I really don't trust wolf that much on DE's
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Hhmmmm....I'll do it manually too and compare
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I worked on understanding this idea for 2 days now...thanks guys for helping me finally understand it, honestly!
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That's the best reward I could hope for, happy to help. I'll let you know what I get manually... eventually ;)
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No hurry =P
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I did get A=1/2 by hand
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actually you can see that fairly quickly...
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wanna see how?
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MathSofiya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I forgot to take the first and second derivative before solving for A B and C...that's why I said A=1 OOOooops
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you can also notice that the only part that will have an x left is Yp and since you have 2Yp you will have 2Ax on the left and x on the right hence A=1/2 the rest is getting a bit frustrating :/
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okay I have confirmed wolf's answer on paper
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I've gotten A=1/2 B=1/4 C=5/2 and D=5/2
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I guess my C's and D's are wrong...oh well I'll take a closer look at wolfram
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you wanna walk through it?
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Now I got A=1/2 B=1/4 C=1/4 D=1/4 that's before considering y(0)=1 and y'(0)=0
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nah, still got problems with C and D can you write out yp, yp', and yp'' ?
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\[y_p=Ax+B+Csin2x+Dcos2x\] \[y_p'=A+2Ccos2x2Dsin2x\] \[y_p''=4Csin2x4Dcos2x\]
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thanks now just write out the result of doing the sines and cosines in y''+y'2y ignore the Ax an B as you have already solved it and it won't affect the C and D
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\[(4C2D2C)=1\] \[(4D+2C2D)=0\]
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something is still wrong though
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not yet, you just must have messed up solving the system
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oh I see what I did
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nope not yet C=3D and then you sub it into the first equation 6(3D)+2D=1 that still is D=1/16
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no it aint :P
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you changed a sign
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the first equation is 2D, not +2D
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that's what I had right? \[(4C2D2C)=1\] \[(4D+2C2D)=0\] simplified \[(6C2D)=1\] \[(6D+2C)=0\] multiply the lower equation by 3 \[(6C2D)=1\] \[(+6C18D)=0\] + 20D=1 D=1/20
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LATEX makes all the difference!
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I really think that if programs are meant to do anything tedious in math, systems are about the most perfect example there is although, a few linear algebra tricks can solve these 2x2's pretty darn fast
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btw I made the \(exact\) same mistake and got D=1/16 first
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the system to find the constants in the particular is actually a bit worse I'd say, so I used some linear algebra stuff there
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I mean in the complimentary
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Hopefully this summarizes everything that went on in here nicely for you :) https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12189012/OS.pdf
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oh my gosh! did you just make that?
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I felt like practicing my rusty \(\LaTeX\) skills.
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That is quite generous, and looks much nicer than my two pages of scribbles with things crossed out ;)
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you are soo sweet! thank you!
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OS rocks!
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yes it does :)
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