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imron07

  • 2 years ago

At what direction is the frictional force?

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  1. imron07
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  2. BTaylor
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    The frictional force is parallel to the surface, opposing the motion. So, it would be pointing down the slope, if the drawing in the arrow represents the motion.

  3. imron07
    • 2 years ago
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    Yes, the arrow represent the motion. But ummm, i'm not sure the frictional force is parallel to the surface, opposing the motion. Just like when we walk, the frictional force is in the same direction as our motion....

  4. BTaylor
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    No, it's not. The friction always opposes motion.

  5. RaphaelFilgueiras
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  6. RaphaelFilgueiras
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  7. BTaylor
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    the friction force reduces the acceleration of the object. When you are walking, the friction between your shoe/foot and the ground keeps your foot from sliding forward indefinitely.

  8. RaphaelFilgueiras
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  9. imron07
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    @BTaylor yes, it oppose the motion, but the motion of our shoes.

  10. RaphaelFilgueiras
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    the a point is moving in rotation direction so frictions force oppose it

  11. RaphaelFilgueiras
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    that's why the car can rise rump

  12. RaphaelFilgueiras
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    get @imron07 ?

  13. imron07
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    @RaphaelFilgueiras : What about this:

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  14. RaphaelFilgueiras
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    im talking about this

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  17. RaphaelFilgueiras
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    the friction is opposite to the moviment of weel

  18. Mikael
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  19. imron07
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    Yeah, i understand your explanation. But if we apply Newton's law, should we pick that direction too for friction to find system acceleration?

  20. Mikael
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    the friction is opposite to the moviment of POINT OF CONTACT

  21. RaphaelFilgueiras
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    yep

  22. Mikael
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    Yes ma = mgsin alpha + f

  23. RaphaelFilgueiras
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    f-mgsin(alpa)=ma

  24. imron07
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    Shouldn't \(mg\sin{\alpha}\) is in opposite direction with friction now?

  25. RaphaelFilgueiras
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    yes it is opposite

  26. imron07
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    @RaphaelFilgueiras yes that's what I mean :)

  27. Mikael
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    NO it is coincident with mg sin alpha : here is why (let me finish pls

  28. Mikael
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    T|dw:1348328885247:dw|

  29. Mikael
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    And when wheel is freely rolling the friction acts BACK on it

  30. RaphaelFilgueiras
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    so your car never will rise the ramp!!!

  31. Mikael
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    @RaphaelFilgueiras you are wrong : in his picture there are NO OTHER forces. The cart is only rolling up BY INERTIA and of course slows eventually. This is different from motorized climbing up !!!

  32. RaphaelFilgueiras
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    the car is moving up

  33. Mikael
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    The point of contact is moving a wee-bit slower than the surface - so the surface ACCELERATES it !

  34. imron07
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    @Mikael : So only when the engine turned on, friction will directed upward?

  35. Mikael
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    YES @imron07

  36. Mikael
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    And pls medal (-s)

  37. Mikael
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    the vector is velocity. And please admit that I am right @RaphaelFilgueiras

  38. Mikael
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    Again I clarify : When the wheel is free it serves as a friction-conduit from the surface to cart. When the motor is working the opposite: the wheel transfers torque from cart to surface

  39. Mikael
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    It is a delicate but DRAMATIC CHANGE

  40. imron07
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    Well, i understand both of your opinion. But i agree with @Mikael . If the vector I draw is Force, would something change (engine on)?

  41. Mikael
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    Of course - all is opposite

  42. RaphaelFilgueiras
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    they are opposite but mg is greater than f

  43. RaphaelFilgueiras
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    so it will stop,and then the friction and mg will be in same direction

  44. Mikael
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    This time @RaphaelFilgueiras IS ok. Though he will never admit someone else IS .....

  45. Mikael
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    The last remark of Raf is WRONG (again!)_

  46. imron07
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    You mean friction is downward even if the tire's working to move the car upward too?

  47. Mikael
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    Friction is UPWARD when the tire PUSHES the surface (working) and downward when the SURFACE pushes the tire

  48. Mikael
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    Both of you should imagine a tiny (really tiny) velocity difference betwee Contact point and surface. It has OPPOSITE directions in these opposite cases !

  49. imron07
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    @Mikael can you draw it please, (when engine turned on, and another force pull the car too).

  50. Mikael
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    When wheel PUSHES it is faster downward - so frict is UPWARD

  51. RaphaelFilgueiras
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  52. Mikael
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  53. imron07
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    Okay, I understand now. Thanks @RaphaelFilgueiras & @Mikael !

  54. RaphaelFilgueiras
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    yw

  55. Mikael
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    You see the friction force is OPPOSITE to the RELATIVE VELOCITY\[V_{contact} - V_{\text{surface velocity relative \to wheel's center}}\]

  56. imron07
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    Yeah, that's what in my mind :D

  57. Mikael
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    @imron07 and @RaphaelFilgueiras : Thank you both for educating me and all of us by your questions and thoughts.

  58. imron07
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    It was a nice discussion :)

  59. Mikael
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    DUBITANDO AD VERITATEM PERVENIMUS !

  60. Mikael
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    Veritas in disputando gignitur.

  61. imron07
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    What's that last phrase means?

  62. Mikael
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    http://translate.google.com/#la/en/Veritas%20in%20disputando%20gignitur.

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    http://translate.google.com/#la/en/PERVENIMUS%20DUBITANDO%20AD%20VERITATEM

  64. RaphaelFilgueiras
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  65. RaphaelFilgueiras
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    @experimentX

  66. imron07
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    @RaphaelFilgueiras : can you explain more about your pic please?

  67. RaphaelFilgueiras
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