1. Directrix

Guide means posted solution with no engagement of Asker in the solution: I need help solving this equation. 6r^2+11r=10. My answers are r+and- i5/2 squared and r+and- 2/3 squared...I am wrong apparently. ------------------------------------------ On this problem you need to rearrange 6r^2+11r=10 to be 6r^2+11r-10=0 Then use the quadratic formula to solve. $-b \pm \sqrt{b ^{2}-4ac}\div2a$ Which then gives: $-11\pm \sqrt{11^{2}-4(6)(-10)}\div2(6)$ So r=2/3, -5/2 Plug those values back in to the original equation for r and you'll see the solution works out. ------------------------------------------ OpenStudy values the Learning process - not the ‘Give you an answer’ process •Don’t post only answers - guide the asker to a solution. http://openstudy.com/code-of-conduct -------------------------------------------- I did guide the asker to a solution!

2. Directrix

If you want to see the above in context, see the following link: http://openstudy.com/study#/updates/506617b1e4b08d1852122a6e

3. Directrix

What follows is a second interpretation of "guide" with the engagement of the student. A picture frame is shaped as a heptagon. The measure of one angle is 144 The remaining interior angles are congruent. What is the measure of each remaining interior angles in the picture frame? -------------------------------------------- How many sides does a heptagon have? -------------------------------------------- Seven if i'm corrct -------------------------------------------- You are correct. Now, we need to know the sum of the interior angles of the heptagon. Do you know the formula? It's okay if you don't; it's okay if you do. ------------------------------------------- well the only formula i'm aware of is (n-2)x 180 ---------------------------------------------- That's it. So, where n is the number of sides, the sum of all the interior angles is (7-2)*180 which is --> your turn to crank out the sum. ---------------------------------------------------- 900 ------------------------------------- here is where im lost hehe xD ------------------------------------- Great. So, we'll subtract that 144 angle from 900 and get 900- 144 = 756 degrees for the other six interior angles to share equally. That is because they are congruent and congruent angles have the same measure. -------------------------------------- Any idea of what we should do to the 756 to get the measure of each of the remaining congruent angles. Your turn now. ---------------------------------------- would i have to divide by the number of sides? ----------------------------------------- No. The number of sides gives the number of interior angles. But one of those seven interior angles had a measure of 144. We subtracted it from the total of all seven interior angles. Now, there are six angles left with a sum of 756. Remember that all six of those remaining angles have the same measure. Does that make sense? ----------------------------------------------- So, we'll divide 756 by what number? Your Turn --------------------------------------------- i got nothing , im sorry --------------------------------------------- No worries. Divide 756 by 6 and post what you get. -------------------------------------- 126 is the outcome, but why is it specifically divided by 6? ------------------------------------- oh because there are 6 remaining right? -------------------------------------- 144 + 126*6 = 900 which is the sum of the interior angles of the septagon. Yes, there are six congruent angles remaining after the 144 angle is subtracted. -------------------------------------- thank you so much ^_^ i appreciate your help a lot !!! ------------------------------------- Glad to help. I like Geometry.

4. Directrix

I can see how guide can be interpreted in two ways by reading the previous two posts. The questions to TPTG (the powers that be) is how are the OS Answerers to interpret "guide" as in guiding students to a solution? There seems to be no confusion regarding the "Don’t post only answers" because OpenStudy values the Learning process - not the ‘Give you an answer’ process •Don’t post only answers - guide the asker to a solution.

5. Directrix

Question for the Purple People and all OS administrators and members who would like to response.

6. UnkleRhaukus

i dont have a problem with jonnymiller's response

7. Directrix

Second Clarification Requested: If an Asker requests or implies a request for confirmation of an answer, is the Answerer expected by TPTB to provide more than a confirmaton or denial? A scenario illustrating this follows: -------------------- Use synthetic division to find P(–2) for P(x) = x4 + 9x3 - 9x + 2 . A. –2 B. 0 C. –36 D. 68 answer is C -36 --------------------------------- yup, thats correct. --------------------------------- thank you ----------------------------------- welcome ^_^

8. hartnn

9. Directrix

@UnkleRhaukus I tend to agree with you. However, the moderators (I assume) are the OS members who issue warnings to Answerers whose replies do not measure up to whatever is meant by guiding the student to a solution. After x number of warnings, the Answerer is bounced from the site. Also, after each warning, an e-mail copy of that warning is sent to the Answerer. However, the offending reply to the question for which the Answerer is being chastised is not cited. If the author(s) of the OS Code of Conduct would clarify what "guide" means, this would clear the confusion.

10. UnkleRhaukus

have only been issued one warning , and i still dont know which response of my mine warranted it,

11. Rohangrr

Is that a tutorial

@Directrix When dealing with human issues; that is, the nature of how people learn, it would be a mistake to try to so rigorously define the foundations of what a "guide" is. The best response I can give is that when asked to "guide" an asker to the solution, do whatever you deem intuitively to be most instrumental to helping him/her learn. So, with me, it's unnecessary to explain every step. Give a hint, and I'm gold. Others might find it difficult to understand why fractions can cancel. They might need an actual, literal guide.

Or, in other words, instead of giving a concrete guideline of what structure a guide might follow, instead consider a guide to be the most instrumental response you can give to helping an asker come to an understanding. So if it's immediately apparent that I have already answered the question myself, but have made a mistake in the process, a step by step solution would be better than hand-holding explanations. But if I don't know where to start... well, the issue is now about whether I understand the fundamental issues of the field.

14. satellite73

wow what a lot of rules. my idea would be to relax and not worry math is hard enough as it is

15. Directrix

@badreferences Here's the sticking point. What is meant by guiding an Asker to a solution is not left for your or my discretion. Someone else (a moderator?) makes the decision to issue a warning and a compilation of such warnings has consequences. Therefore, Answerers should know what the author(s) of the OS Code of Conduct mean by "guiding to a solution." A definition would be sufficient. I

16. iheartfood

haha agreed with @satellite73 math is hard so u gotta relax lol :) i mean everybody has differnt ways of understanding so yeah as long as u learn it right?

Language is vague enough that reasonable intuition must be exercised at every step. We have generally the same tolerances to stupidity that the mods do. So I think with a margin of error we can prevent most sorts of unreasonable punishments.

That is, I can post a benign joke, and even though it isn't a guide, I won't be warned for it.

"A boy owned a dog that was uncommonly shaggy. Many people remarked upon its considerable shagginess. When the boy learned that there are contests for shaggy dogs, he entered his dog. The dog won first prize for shagginess in both the local and the regional competitions. The boy entered the dog in ever-larger contests, until finally he entered it in the world championship for shaggy dogs. When the judges had inspected all of the competing dogs, they remarked about the boy's dog: 'He's not so shaggy.'"

20. estudier

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22. Directrix

I viewed this OS video on the OS Facebook site. The helper owl gave what could be thought of as the "entire solution" to the asker owl without calling upon the asker owl for input. Interesting. https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?v=546254509750&set=vb.85705490637&type=2&theater

23. sara12345

depends on the asker, if u sense the asker knows what he/she asking, give them respect and answer to the point. no point being formal or trying to give hints/clues/creative/twisted/beat-around-the-bush responses i see lot of ppl struggling to stick to code-of-conduct. you dont need to follow code-of-conduct literally

24. Directrix

@sara12345 Point taken. Question: In not literally following the code, if you were cited with repeated warnings and locked out of the site for a specific time, would you continue to answer questions *your way* despite the code upon your return?

25. Mikael

1) The mods should really think twice before warning/banning - read whether the asker was so SO, SO helpless, and SO hapless that the Answerer just had to finish by giving it all. In this case THERE IS NO OTHER WAY !!! 2) If they really want coherence then they MUST STATE EXPLICITLY TO ALL: "No complete solutions are provided here" " Please medal answerers for central piece of solutions."

26. Mikael

Aand a Dual- complement of the above: Is any editorial attention being paid to simply answer-gatherers ? People who ask, but who actively oppose explanations, only FULL solutions. I'm observing such behaviour frequently

27. amistre64

to guide is to have an interaction with the person asking the question. If there is no interaction going on, there is no guidance being given. to start the process, you should ask question so that you can judge the innate abilities of the asker; and then encourage them to use those abilities to find a solution.

28. Mikael

Is any editorial attention being paid to simply answer-gatherers ? People who ask, but who actively oppose explanations, only FULL solutions. I'm observing such behaviour frequently

29. amistre64

if the asker is "sooo" helpless as to be able to think for themselves; then we should not encourage them to continue to have other "do the thinking for them".

30. Mikael

But have u no mercy ? Even if this is sincere helpless person ?

31. amistre64

those who demand only solutions and do not want to participate in the process are given warnings and if the behaviour is persistent, they are suspended for having an aire of cheating

32. amistre64

this is a STUDY group after all, not a free answering service

33. hartnn

^^ i agree

34. Mikael

I am ready to report such gatherers - where to report to?

35. amistre64

there is a report abuse option with a comment section for being specific about the complaint that you have. This is sent to all moderators and administrators to review the situation and make appropriate judgement calls on

36. Mikael

This is not abuse - it is exploitation, but not abuse

37. amistre64

when children are exploited, are they being abused?

38. amistre64

i thought your grievence was with the term "abuse", do you wish to flop to some other debate?

39. Mikael

I estimate that about 25% of ALL questions are asked with preplanned intent to receive ONLY full, and chewed solution. Just observe - you will see it.

40. UnkleRhaukus

what the thinker thinks, the prover proves

41. amistre64

ive been doing this for nigh on a year and a half; im well aware of them :)

42. Mikael

Any bans have been actually issued ?

43. amistre64

of course ....

44. UnkleRhaukus

i would like to know the result of a report i issued about a month ago, i never heard back

45. amistre64

we rely upon the users to feild abusive behaviour, but its not really their privy to know what happens afterwards.

46. iheartfood

there was this one person i was helping once and then the user stopped responding (they posted a science question in math by accident; new OS user) and then later messaged me saying they got suspended for an hour.... so suspension/bans do happen right? and do bans mean u will NEVER be able to use OS again? :O

47. amistre64

the mods and administrators make a judgement call

48. UnkleRhaukus

well i was feeling quite insulted by a certain response and i dont know if justice prevailed

49. Mikael

Are you aware of wholesale intermediaries ? Ask and transfer, that is

50. amistre64

moderators can suspend for a time limit; its up to the administrators that govern the site to cancel accounts and what nots

51. iheartfood

@UnkleRhaukus what kind of response?? (hope it wasn't from me right??!!)

52. amistre64

i cant say im familiar with the wholesale concpet

53. UnkleRhaukus

some had a good question and i did a lot of work (without giving away the answer) , and then they drew a rude picture and it had a rude comment

54. Mikael

Y gathers questions from clients - a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h and i. Y asks here. Y gives them the answers

55. amistre64

Unkle, regretable, that happens; its best if you can just brush it off in the end :)

56. amistre64

the wholesale concept seems like a logistical issue that would have to be wieghed by those who own the site

57. iheartfood

agreed... just wondering, do u know when OS was first launched??

58. Mikael

I don't mind - the thing bothering me is that wholesalers are complete idiots as to the q.-s they post. So they just ask and shut.

59. iheartfood

i recently found out about OS earlier this year right b4 summer.... :) and it's awesome! :D

60. amistre64

I think it was around for a year or so before I joined; created in the basement of Georgia MIt maybe? im terrible with history :)

61. amistre64

Ive often considered the possibility of having dedicated answers; but thats just a pipe dream

62. Mikael

What do you mean @amistre64 could you just explain that dream ?

63. UnkleRhaukus

yes, do

64. amistre64

Since there is no method in place to weed out good answers from the bad; that perhaps there could be a means of testing the users and see what they abilities are. The report abuses could be considered as demerits and they would not be able to reply to certain questions; while others who have shown responsible would be allowed to participate. But I do not think that is a viable plan for the nature of this site

65. iheartfood

hahah it's all good :) when'd u join @amistre64 ?

66. amistre64

it was about a week after the tsunami hit in japan

67. iheartfood

ohhhh cool!

68. amistre64

back then "fan count" was the determining factor of a score

69. Mikael

Thanks , see you around harder questions. bye

70. iheartfood

ohhhh really? haha :) i have no idea about smartscores lol :/

71. amistre64

when i broke the fan count system; they implemented a medaling system; when satellite and i broke that; they winded their way to this smart score system ;)

72. UnkleRhaukus

ha ha

73. UnkleRhaukus

whats next ? a logarithmic cardinal system?

74. iheartfood

oh wow haha :) satellite has a smartscore of 100!! is satellite the only one with 100?? that is just amazing :O

75. amistre64

dunno, maybe something to do with migratory spiritual essenses that are encaptured on brine sticks .... lol

76. amistre64

satellite is the only 100er yes

77. iheartfood

and how do u even get to 99!?!??! that's just amazing! :O

78. amistre64

my 99 status was just grandfathered in a believe

79. iheartfood

and wow that's so cool! I wish i had 100! lol :/ or 99! hahah eh oh well :P

80. iheartfood

oh hahaa cool :)

81. sasogeek

82. sasogeek

sorry if i've repeated some things already said in the thread, i haven't read the whole thing cos it seems rather long but just wanted to respond to your message @Directrix :)

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