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ashna
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Is it necessary that work done in the motion of a body over a closed loop is 0 for every force in nature ? why ?
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ashna Group Title
Is it necessary that work done in the motion of a body over a closed loop is 0 for every force in nature ? why ?
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
no...it's not true for every force in nature
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
take the example of work done by friction force.
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ashna Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
can you first explain the question ? :)
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
there are several forces in the nature..name them...whatever u know.
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
like electric force, magnetic force, spring force, friction force, gravitational force...
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
and these are all the closed loops
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ashna Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i have to keep refreshing OS as its goin down , so my replays may seem late n am sry for that ! okay understood.
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
now suppose there is a ball situated at point A near the earth
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
and the ball is taken from point A to B to C to D to A..that is ball has been moved on a closed loop during this motion
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
earth is exerting force mg on the ball...so tell me work done by this gravitational force if ball moves from point A to B...use work done= force* displacement * cos(theta)
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
look for the angle between the force and the displacement
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
yes..so work done by gravitational force( A to B)=0
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
our objective is the work done by the gravitational force on the ball so now we come to B to C
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
ball is moving from B to C again work done by the gravitational force = force*( displacement) *cos(theta) theta=?
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ashna Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i mean cos 0
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
there are two vectors..force (mg, vertically downward) and displacement( B to C)..so think carefully for angle between them.
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
displacement ( B to C) is vertically upward.
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does it make sense for visualizing the angle between two vectors pictorially?
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so now we come to B to Cdw:1348897603389:dw
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
force is vertically downward and displacement is vertically upward so angle between them is......?
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ashna Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
okay cos 180
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
yes...right..:) so work done by the gravitational force = force*( displacement) *cos(theta) = mg * h * (1) =mgh suppose BC=h
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till now...it's fine?
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now work done by gravitational force (C to D)= 0 does it make sense?
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
now we come to work done by the gravitational force on the ball (D to A) tell me how much it'll be?
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
just look for angle between gravitational force and displacement when ball moves from D to A
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so work done by the gravitational force on the ball (D to A)= mg* h* cos(0)= mgh BC=DA=h
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
so our objective has been completed...I mean...we have calculated...work done by gravitational force on the ball when the ball moved on a closed loop.
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
so total work done= W(A>B) + W(B>c) + W(C>D) + W(D>A) =0 + (mgh) + 0 + mgh =0
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
so work done by gravitational force in the motion of a body over a closed loop is 0.
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ashna Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
okay understood , and why is this not the same for every force in nature ?
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
but we took a rectangular loop for a closed loop..one can show this for any arbitrarydw:1348898826574:dw closed loop
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
but it's not true for every force in nature...e.g. friction force
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
so we classify the forces into two type if work done by the force over a closed loop is zero then conservative force otherwise nonconservative force
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ashna Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i don't understand , why not for frictional force ?
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
yes...I am coming there
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1st have a look...why not zero?dw:1348899134273:dw
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
suppose there is a block of mass m moves on a rectangular loop, and the loop is kept horizontally on the earth
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ashna Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
like before , okay !
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do u agree that work done by the friction force on the block will be negative in each segment(AB, BC,CD,DA) of this loop?
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
because during motion, angle between friction force and displacement will be 180'
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ashna Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
am sorry but i did not understand the last part !
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
which one...do u agree that work done by the friction force on the block will be negative in each segment(AB, BC,CD,DA) of this loop?
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ashna Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yes the same
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
ok...1st we'll see the work done by the friction force on the block,when it moves from A to B again work done= force*( displacement)* cos(theta) theta=?
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see..if block moves from A to B then displacement of block =AB...right?
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
direction of displacement is to the right and the direction of friction force is to the left
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akash123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
so again there are two vectors friction force and displacement...look for the angle between them carfully
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sam291 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
But when it moves from C to D the direction of the force vector is opposite from the direction from A to B, so it will still add up to zero going around the loop. Am I wrong?
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kappa007 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Forces in nature can be either conservative or nonconservative. Work done in a closed loop by a conservative force is always 0 .
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