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tanvidais13
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2sin^4(z) + 7cos(z) = 4, between 0 and 360 inclusive.
i could turn sin^4(z) into 1cos^4(z), and then turn that into (1+cos^2(z))(1cos^2(z)), but then what??
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tanvidais13 Group Title
2sin^4(z) + 7cos(z) = 4, between 0 and 360 inclusive. i could turn sin^4(z) into 1cos^4(z), and then turn that into (1+cos^2(z))(1cos^2(z)), but then what??
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
how is sin^4(z) = 1cos^4(z) ??
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tanvidais13 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
isn't it??
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tanvidais13 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
then what can i do here??
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
maybe (1cos^2 x)^2 = (1 2 cos^2 x + cos^4 x) (i have used sin^2 + cos^2= 1, so sin^2 = 1cos^2)
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
24y^2+2y^4+7y=4.......by putting y=cos x not easy to solve, can u use calculator?
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
am i making any sense?
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
@estudier any ideas?
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estudier Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Just looking....
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estudier Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Where is the question from?
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
cos z= (1+ sin 2z)/2 and let's say sin z= y ..you are done
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
i mean cos^2 z
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
trignometry only, i guess
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
how would that help @jasonxx ? what about sin 2x then?
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
it'll be a quadratic equation and it is done
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
something like 2y^2.....
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
quadratic?? u have sin2x not sin^2 x
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
wait a sec guys ..we all are confused the question is
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[2 \sin^4 z+ 7 \cos z=4\]
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[\cos z= \sqrt {1 \sin^2 z}\] let's say \[\sin^2 z= y\] now i think it can be done
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
u just increased the complexity by bringing square root sign....
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[2y^2+7(\sqrt{1y})=4\] \[2y^24=7 \sqrt{1y}\] square both sides and then let's say y^2=z
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
yea ..there could be alternative
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
so u will get the same equation with y^4 which i hace posted
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
24y^2+2y^4+7y=4
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[4y^48y^2+16=49(1y)\]
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
even that is not any simpler to solve
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@tanvidais13 stuck or done lol, because you seem to be frozen ;)
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tanvidais13 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
sorry, guests over, had to "entertain" :P
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Coolsector Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
are you sure you wrote the question correctly ?
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
no it is done wait a sec
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[\sin^4 z= (\sin^2z)^2= (1\cos^2z)^2\] now \[12\cos^2z+\cos^4z=(1\cos^2z)^2\]
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tanvidais13 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
what jasonxx wrote in the beginning is right.
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@tanvidais13 hope i entertained lol
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
didn't entertain, didn't solve.... and the last thing u did,was the 1st thing i did
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Coolsector Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
you are writing the same thing again
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tanvidais13 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
wait i STILL didn't get how you got 1−2cos^2(z)+cos^4(z)=(1−cos^2(z))2 what is that???
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@hartnn i know you might be fillipn out..relax mate, try to see things from everyone's visual angel
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Coolsector Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
(ab)^2 = a^2 2ab + b^2
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tanvidais13 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
oh yeahh, so that was just the expansion.
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
\(sin^2 x+cos^2 x =1\)and that expansion
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@tanvidais13 i wrote sin^2 z = 1 cos^ z and that was an expansion
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[(1 \cos^2 z)= \sin^2 z\] and \[(1\cos^2z)^2= expansion (ab)^2\] ;)
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tanvidais13 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
but then we only get cosz in powers of 1,2, and 4, not three. can we still solve it like that??
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
yes you can...with a basic rearrangement
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tanvidais13 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
ENTERTAIN ME :P
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
are you sure ? lol
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[\cos^4z2\cos^2z+1+7cosz=4\] now can you play with this equation , see something is common among them, which can be shotned
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[2 \cos^4z4\cos^2z+2+7\cos z =4\]
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mathslover Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
@jasonxx I request you to please don't interrupt when some one is helping a user. No worries, if you were ONLY giving suggestion but if you are spoiling the work of the previous user then it will not be nice.
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mathslover Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Do refer : http://openstudy.com/codeofconduct
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@mathslover i do respect your words but i can't stop myself from some arrogant person and his haughty comment i am sure you know, whom am i talking about
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tanvidais13 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
if we say cos(z) = y, then we will have \[2y^4  4y^2 + 7y  2 = 0\]
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@tanvidais13 \[2y^44y^2=27y\] now? can you do the rest
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mathslover Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
@jasonxx please stay friendly dude. It would be better if you have not used "arrogant" like words, this makes the whole difference. It's nice to see that you respect my words but I will say that even I am spoiling this post now, so I am leaving , you may continue your help but remember the following things from now onwards: i) Never give direct answer to any asker. ii) Don't give direct solution to the asker, this not only ends the motive of openstudy but also not helps asker. iii) Let the asker do the work, you must suggest him/her regarding your idea or steps. like : 5x7=3 , just say "Try to add 7 both sides, what do you get?" iv) "Answer snipping" , this is what you have likely done here, if a user is helping the asker then please don't interrupt by giving direct solution or any way, but if you have good ideas then just post shortly. Thanks :)
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
see my 4th comment, 35 minutes ago, we are back there, we wasted 35 minutes..
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@mathslover thank you but you should not be biased..well for the sake of us i am putting this to an end, i haven't copied i was friendly and i was working the way i believe is dood and is in accordance with this code of conduct but if one is willing to have my welcome in some other way then i am sorry, either i'll help or i shall feel compelled to assault someone verbally ...my serious apology for being rude thank you
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mathslover Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Thanks and sorry if i was rude, but now someone help @tanvidais13 :)
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@Mikael have a look, i believe you can take us outta this
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@tanvidais13 if we take value of Z=0 degrees ... this equation fails !! are you sure this question is correct?
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
2*0+7*1 can't be equal to 4 ?? isn't it?
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@mathslover what say bro? :) any idea !!
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mathslover Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
not yet..
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mathslover Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
@sauravshakya and @UnkleRhaukus
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
doesn't it look like equation that is not consistent ..it fails whilst substituting the value of z
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Coolsector Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
but you had to find z .. you dont plug any value you want
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
good point, but how one is supposed to get value of somethin from (not sure) an incorrect equation
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Coolsector Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
who said that it is incorrect
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jasonxx Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
intuition ...let me solve this again :)
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sauravshakya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Cant this be factored:dw:1348921637348:dw
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siddhantsharan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
We have to find roots?Or do we have to find number of roots?
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sauravshakya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I think roots.
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siddhantsharan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
The question doesnt specify. I dont think you can find the exact root to this. http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2x%5E4++4x%5E2+%2B+7x++2
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=24y%5E2%2B2y%5E4%2B7y%3D4 y=0.35 can be cos z, other two are imaginary and last is 2 cos z cannot be 2 so cos z=0.35
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
but unfortunately, we cannot use a calculator here....
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sauravshakya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
So, it has only two real solutions.
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siddhantsharan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Precisely. And the other real root (not 2) is Probably not possible to compute by pen and paper.
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sauravshakya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
dw:1348922391902:dw AND I was trying to prove it has no real solution as the above equation is never 0 for 1<=t<=1..... But I was doing all wrong.
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tanvidais13 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
so the only possible answer is cos(z) = 0.35, only the problem is it's basically impossible to find out by hand :P anyways, THANK YOU SO MUCH, everyone, for this strangeretricehellofaproblem :P AND this includes all the relative latecomers :P I can't give a medal to everyone, but I wish I could :P
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estudier Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
If you absolutely have to find it by hand and you can make an initial guess which is close enough, then you could perhaps use Newton's method to get the root.
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