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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
the answer of the integration is \[ {1 \over 4} \sqrt{b^2 a^2}(ba)\left( t + {\sin (4t)\over 4}\right)\]
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
On the other hand, Mathematica expresses solution as \[ \frac{\sqrt{ax} \sqrt{b+x} \left(2 \sqrt{ax} \sqrt{b+x} (ab+2 x)(ab)^2 \text{ArcTan}\left[\frac{a+b2 x}{2 \sqrt{ax} \sqrt{b+x}}\right]\right)}{8 \sqrt{(ax) (b+x)}} \]
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
this is minus \[ {1 \over 4} \sqrt{b^2 a^2}(ba)\left( t  {\sin (4t)\over 4}\right) \]
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Callisto Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Hmm.... \[\int \sqrt{(ax)(xb)}dx\]Let \(x=acos^2t + bsin^2t\) \[dx = (2a\sin t\cos t + 2b \sin t\cos t)dt = (ba)sin2t dt\] Then, the integral becomes (ax) = a  (acos^2 t + bsin^2 t) = a (sin^2 t)  b sin^2 t = (ab) sin^2 t (xb) = (acos^2t + bsin^2t)  b = acos^2 t  b (cos^2 t) = (ab) cos^2t \[\int \sqrt{(ab)sin^2t \times (ab)cos^2t} (ba)sin2tdt\]\[=\int [(ab)sint cost] (ba)sin2tdt\]\[=\frac{1}{2}\int (ba)^2sin^22tdt\] \[=\frac{1}{2}(ba)^2\int sin^2 2tdt\]\[=\frac{1}{2}(ba)^2\int \frac{1cos4t}{2}dt\]\[=\frac{1}{4}(ba)^2 (t\frac{1}{4}sin4t)+C\]Anything wrong here?
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
looks like i made error
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
yeah i made error ...  ( 1  cos ..) = 
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
If we put \[ \sin (t) = \sqrt{xa\over ba} \\ \cos (t) = \sqrt{bx\over ba} \\ t = \arctan \sqrt { \left( xa \over bx\right) } \]
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
we get pretty close to dw:1349076028513:dw
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
this is pretty close from solution of WA
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Cleaning up the solution i get \[ \left(2 \sqrt{ax} \sqrt{b+x} (ab+2 x)(ab)^2 \text{ArcTan}\left[\frac{a+b2 x}{2 \sqrt{ax} \sqrt{b+x}}\right]\right) \over 8 \]
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Callisto Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Why should we express t in terms of arc tan?
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I don't know ... I just want match up our answer with WA
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Callisto Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Perhaps... That help get a prettier t... \[tan t = sint / cost = \sqrt{\frac{xa}{ba}}\] *Still working on that*
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Let's graph our solution
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
something is missing
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[ \tan t = \sin t / \cos t = \sqrt{\frac{ax}{xb}} \]
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Callisto Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
:'( I got into trouble!!! \[=\frac{1}{4} (ab)^2 [\tan^{1} (\sqrt{\frac{xa}{ba}})\frac{\sqrt{(xa)(bx)}}{ba}(1\frac{xa}{ba})]+C \]\[=\frac{1}{4} (ab)^2 [\tan^{1} (\sqrt{\frac{xa}{ba}})\frac{\sqrt{(xa)(bx)}(bx)}{(ba)^2}]+C \]\[=\frac{1}{4} (ab)^2 [\tan^{1} (\sqrt{\frac{xa}{ba}})]+\frac{1}{4}\sqrt{(xa)(bx)}(bx)+C \]Blah... Doesn't seem right :'(
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I almost got same result as mathematica except for this one \[ \left[\frac{a+b2 x}{2 \sqrt{ax} \sqrt{b+x}}\right] \]
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[ =\frac{1}{4} (ab)^2 [\tan^{1} (\sqrt{\frac{xa}{ba}})\frac{\sqrt{(xa)(bx)}}{ba}(12\frac{xa}{ba})]+C \] you missed 2 here.
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Callisto Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Oh!!! Let me redo it....
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
also change that value inside arctan it should be \[ \sqrt{xa \over bx}\]
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Callisto Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Sorry.... typos!!
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Callisto Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Once again, it doesn't look great at all... \[\frac{1}{4}(ab)^2 [ tan^{1} (\sqrt{\frac{xa}{bx}})  \frac{\sqrt{(xa)(bx)}}{ba}[12(\frac{xa}{ba})]] +C\]\[=\frac{1}{4}(ab)^2 [ tan^{1} (\sqrt{\frac{xa}{bx}})  \frac{\sqrt{(xa)(bx)}}{ba}(\frac{a+b2x}{ba})] +C\]\[=\frac{1}{4}(ab)^2 tan^{1} (\sqrt{\frac{xa}{bx}}) + \frac{1}{4}\sqrt{(xa)(bx)}(a+b2x) +C\]
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
so far so good every part matches solution from WA except \[ \tan^{1} \left(\sqrt{\frac{xa}{bx}}\right ) \]
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Callisto Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
What is that in WA?
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Wolf ...
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Callisto Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I meant what wolf showed you...
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
yep!! http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Integrate+sqrt%28%28ax%29%28xb%29%29
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
cancel those terms at the front
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[ \frac{\sqrt{ax} \sqrt{b+x} \left(2 \sqrt{ax} \sqrt{b+x} (ab+2 x)(ab)^2 \text{ArcTan}\left[\frac{a+b2 x}{2 \sqrt{ax} \sqrt{b+x}}\right]\right)}{8 \sqrt{(ax) (b+x)}} \]
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Cancelling those first terms we get \[ {1 \over 8}\left(2 \sqrt{ax} \sqrt{b+x} (ab+2 x)(ab)^2 \text{ArcTan}\left[\frac{a+b2 x}{2 \sqrt{ax} \sqrt{b+x}}\right]\right)\]
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
it seems we are correct!! Wolf is pretty nasty!!
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
We need to prove that \[ \tan^{1} \left(\sqrt{\frac{xa}{bx}}\right ) = \text{ArcTan}\left[\frac{a+b2 x}{2 \sqrt{ax} \sqrt{b+x}}\right] \] this is not correct ... however I'll show you this is equivalent in integrals!!
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Callisto Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
No... not really, the coefficient of arctan (simpler one) is 1/4, while the coefficient of arctan (wolf) is 1/8..
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
dw:1349079549133:dw
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
there is a formula that \( \arctan(x) + \arctan(1/x)= {\pi \over 2}\) dw:1349079814250:dw
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
hence we have \[ \tan^{1} \left(\sqrt{\frac{xa}{bx}}\right ) = {\pi \over 2}  \text{ArcTan}\left[\frac{a+b2 x}{2 \sqrt{ax} \sqrt{b+x}}\right]\] But this \( \pi \over 2 \) is constant and you can ignore it. Hence the result of the wolf follows.
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Callisto Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
But what about the coefficient??
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[ =\frac{1}{4}(ab)^2 \tan^{1} \left(\sqrt{\frac{xa}{bx}}\right ) + \frac{1}{4}\sqrt{(xa)(bx)}(a+b2x) +C \\ \frac{1}{4}(ab)^2 {1\over 2 }\left( {\pi \over 2}  \text{ArcTan}\left[\frac{a+b2 x}{2 \sqrt{ax} \sqrt{b+x}}\right] \right ) + \frac{1}{4}\sqrt{(xa)(bx)}(a+b2x) +C\\ \frac{1}{8}(ab)^2 \left( \text{ArcTan}\left[\frac{a+b2 x}{2 \sqrt{ax} \sqrt{b+x}}\right] \right ) + \frac{1}{4}\sqrt{(xa)(bx)}(a+b2x) \\ +C {\pi \over 16 } (ab)^2\\ \text{ Just let } C {\pi \over 16 } (ab)^2 = C_1 \text{ some constnat} \]
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Looks like i missed some  somewhere.
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Callisto Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Ehhhhh... I love my solution *v*
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
yeah .. no need to go though rigorous way as Wolf.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
the above is just equally right!!
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Callisto Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
It's always good know to how to get the wolf solution. Thanks !!!
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
well ... remember this \( \arctan(x) + \arctan(1/x)= {\pi \over 2} \) and after integration you can manipulate your solution by adding or subtracting constants. expanple: \( c + \sin^2 x\) and \( c  \cos ^2 x\) are equivalent solution.
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Callisto Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Why.......
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
dw:1349081258153:dw
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
this is typical when you integrate \[ \int \sin x \cos x \; dx\] one time let sin(x) = u ... another time let cos(x) = u ... another time put sin(x)cos(x) = 1/2 sin(2x)
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Callisto Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Eh?! three ways to do it?!
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
if the difference between two solution is constant then they are equivalent. well you could put it up that way. but they were all equivalent.
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Callisto Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Hmm.. I remember someone told me that when I got a different answer from the textbook, it may not be the case that I did it wrong. sometimes, the answers may be different by some constants.. Perhaps, that's the case :\
 one year ago
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