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Probability question challenge. Two players roll an \(n\)sided dice. The player who fails to get better rolls than previous ones loses. How likely is it for the first player to win?
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Probability question challenge. Two players roll an \(n\)sided dice. The player who fails to get better rolls than previous ones loses. How likely is it for the first player to win?
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@UnkleRhaukus @TuringTest @KingGeorge @experimentX @estudier
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I am terrible at probability, but everyone always asks me about it.
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TuringTest Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I'll be curious to hear what others say though
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badreferences Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
So am I. Took me like 3 days to solve this. But I do have the solution.
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Libniz Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I think this is geometric distribution?
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badreferences Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Well, no I don't think so.
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badreferences Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@Mariantheduke You might be interested. This problem came from the physics dept.
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@mukushla
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badreferences Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I do not think this solution works.
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sauravshakya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
1/n * (n)/n + 1/n *(n1)/n + 1/n * (n2)/n+...
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sauravshakya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
1/n^2 (n+n1+n2+n3+...nn)
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badreferences Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
on the right track, but not it.
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sauravshakya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Did I missed something?
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badreferences Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
The answer is\[\left(1\frac1n\right)^{nr}\]where \(r\) is the roll that has just occurred, and \(n\) the number of sides the dice has.
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@saifoo.khan This would interest you, methinks.
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badreferences Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I'm sorry, that's the probability for the first player to lose. Wait a second.
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badreferences Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
The probability that the first player wins is\[1\left(1\frac1n\right)^n\]where \(r=0\).
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sauravshakya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I got dw:1349578761373:dw
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badreferences Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I have it in good confidence that my answer is correct. I don't know what assumption you made that was wrong, though.
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sauravshakya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
What is r ?
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badreferences Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
The roll just made.
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badreferences Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Well, goodnight, Sir. I will see you another day perhaps.
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sauravshakya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
WELL GOOD NIGHT
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saifoo.khan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@badreferences : No man! I can't do probability. :S
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sauravshakya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
when n=1 and n=2 your and my answer gives the same result Now, when n=3 according to u the answer is 0.7037 and according to me the answer is 0.66666 Now, when n=3 we can do it in a simple way. 1/3 *1 + 1/3 *2/3 + 1/3 *1/3 = 0.66666
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gregohb Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
If you know r, then its a conditional probability. the actual question was what was the overall probability of the first player winning (regardless of his roll)
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badreferences Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@gregohb That sets \(r=0\).
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UnkleRhaukus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
each player rolles the same dice with expectation value \(\langle roll\rangle\) the players are expected to roll the same number there will be variation in the result , hence player one will win half of these and play two will win the other half , occasionally the players will roll the same number and in this event play one wins, so if they play for a long time player one is more likely to win
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gregohb Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
There is something wrong with the original problem. If they roll one each, and stop, and first guys loses. Thats one thing. Or if they keep rolling until one loses, what if they both lose simultaneously. Or what if they keep rolling over and over again and each one wins some and loses some? Then do they keep count? Its not clear. The prob of one guy losing on his own from one roll to the next is (1/n)*(0 + 1/n + 2/n + ... (n1)/n) = (n1)*n/(2n^2) = (n1)/(2n) = a The probablity of the other guy to not lose is 1a. So For 1st guy to lose and second guy to win (since these are indepedendent events) is a*(1a). Now if there is a series of rolls and first must continue to lose and 2nd guy continue to win, or whatever, then that needs to be expanded. but i am not clear what the problem is actually asking precisely.
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