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Kelumptus
 2 years ago
I am a little bit confused about how the 'integration by parts' formula actually works.
My problem is as follows:
The integration by parts rule is device from the product rule > (fg)' = f'g + fg'
Then by integrating throughout you get this (using S as integral symbol):
fg = S f'g dx + S fg' dx
My confusion relates to the fact that this is not the integration by parts formula and it appears logical to me that it should be. The integration by parts formula goes one step further:
S fg' dx = fg  S f'g dx
This does not make sense to me since it is the integral of (fg)' that you want to s
Kelumptus
 2 years ago
I am a little bit confused about how the 'integration by parts' formula actually works. My problem is as follows: The integration by parts rule is device from the product rule > (fg)' = f'g + fg' Then by integrating throughout you get this (using S as integral symbol): fg = S f'g dx + S fg' dx My confusion relates to the fact that this is not the integration by parts formula and it appears logical to me that it should be. The integration by parts formula goes one step further: S fg' dx = fg  S f'g dx This does not make sense to me since it is the integral of (fg)' that you want to s

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TuringTest
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1I'm not sure I understand your question\[d(uv)=udv+vdu\]integrating both sides\[\int d(uv)=\int u dv+\int v du\]note that\[\int d(uv)=uv\]solve for \(\int udv\):\[\int udv=uv\int vdu\]now where exactly are you confused?

Kelumptus
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0What confuses me is that the formula seems to be used solve a problem such as find the integral of ∫x cos x, but wouldn't it be logical that the formula to do this is ∫d(uv)=∫udv+∫vdu (where u = x and v = cos x) ?

Kelumptus
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0If you were trying to find the antiderivative of ∫uv' then this would make sense to me

Kelumptus
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0i mean if you were trying to find ∫udv.

TuringTest
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1you are, but you should have v=x and u=cosx

TuringTest
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1sorry, x=u is right, but we call dv=cosx if you just left it as ∫d(uv)=∫udv+∫vdu that is cyclical and would not get you anywhere you need to get rid of the x which is done by calling u=x, which means du=1 dv=cosx>v=sinx then ∫udv=uv∫udu gives\[\int x\cos xdx=x\sin x\int\sin xdx\]which you can solve

TuringTest
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1it is important to define one function as u, and the other as dv the u is usually used for any extra x's out front, since du will reduce the order of x leaving something that can be integrated, as it did above

TuringTest
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1these are good notes http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/CalcII/IntegrationByParts.aspx

Kelumptus
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0Paul's online notes? Yeah i read them a lot =)

TuringTest
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1that's good, but I guess that means they won't help you answer your query.

Kelumptus
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0So... is integration by parts just integrating one part? Meaning that there is a second step required?

TuringTest
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1there can be many steps, if you had\[\int x^5\sin xdx\]you would have to do it 5 times, which is where the tabular method is useful the idea is to use the formula to make the power of x smaller by calling it u, then when it appears as du in the next integral it is lower order, until it goes away entirely and you only have to integrate the dv term

TuringTest
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1check out example 9 in the link I gave you to see what I mean by the tabular method

TuringTest
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1I have to eat dinner now, hope I helped a little

Kelumptus
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0Ok thanks for your help =)

TuringTest
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1welcome, feel free to bump this question so others can continue to help you :)

Kelumptus
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0To clarify, substituting ∫uv' = uv  ∫ vd' for ∫xsin x makes no sense to me because ∫ x sin x is not equal to ∫u cos x (i.e. ∫uv')

Algebraic!
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2" ∫ x sin x is not equal to ∫uv' " it is though, if u =x and v = cosx

Kelumptus
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0Ahh... it makes sense now. I think i was having a bit of brain fart. It seems quite obvious and logical now that you have clarified this for me. Thanks a lot. This has been bothering me all afternoon =)
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