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How many nonnegative integer solutions does this equation have?
\[x_1+x_2+\ldots+x_N=n\]
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klimenkov Group Title
How many nonnegative integer solutions does this equation have? \[x_1+x_2+\ldots+x_N=n\]
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cruffo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Are you considering the solutions to be ordered or unordered? For example, if we wee trying to solve: x + y + z + w = 12 Would the solution (x,y,z,w) = (9,1,1,1) = (1,9,1,1) = (1,1,9,1) = (1,1,1,9) or would that be considered 4 separate solutions? If they are considered the same, then this is a partitions problem, if they are different, then this is a combinations problem.
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
They are different.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
woops!! that's for ... a+b+c+d = N
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cruffo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
For the smaller example: x + y + z + w = 12 The number of solutions can be determined by viewing the problem in the following way: If 12 units (denoted as 12 u's) seperated by 11 spaces (denoted by 11 s's) are lined up, usususususususususususu and we choose any 3 of the s's and let the others disappear, for example: u u s u u u usu u u u usu then the remaining s's seperate the units into four batches. The number of units in these batches can be used as the values of x,y,z, and w.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
a+b = n would make n+1 solutions a +b + c = n would make dw:1350155772870:dw
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
probably we would add up (summation) n2 times for n+1
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Hm.. I would like you to write the whole solution and the expression as an answer.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
honestly I don't know any closed form for this.
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cruffo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
who are you taking to? @experimentX or me?
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cruffo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
For mine, any selection of three s's gives a solution. Thus, the number of solutions is the same as the number of ways of selection 3 things out of 11.
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
You both. I know the answer. I found this problem very interesting.
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cruffo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
you just need to generalize...
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
well ... one thing is for sure ... it must have something with to do of the order of N^(N+1)
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cruffo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
You have n units and (N1) s's. How many ways can you select (N1) things out of (n1)
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Think again. In an hour I will give you an answer.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
1:15 am here ...
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Do you want it now?
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I'll wait till tomorrow.
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@cruffo 's method is very good. But he must correct it.
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cruffo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Right, the are are a few solutions missing  the ones that start with 0 or end in 0
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
probably this is related to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_(number_theory)
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cruffo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
why not just add s's at the beginning and end of the sequence...
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cruffo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
never mind...that won't take care of the others...
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
can x's be zero?
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cruffo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
yes, it can, as can any of the variables. But my take on the problem excludes those possibilities.
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cruffo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
My solution won't allow for adjacent s's
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cruffo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Claim: every arrangement of n u's and (N1) s's gives a solution.
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cruffo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
so you have a total of n + (N1) things and you choose where to place (N1) of them: C(n+N1, N1)
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
so C(n+N1, N1) is your solution?
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
dw:1350157242721:dw
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
dw:1350157497037:dw
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
can't think at the moment ... Night!! will see solution tomorrow directly. Nevertheless combinatorics has never been my stuff.
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cruffo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
"Mathematics of Choice" by Ivan Niven http://books.google.com/books?id=UrVQYgEACAAJ The best introductory book, IMHO
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@cruffo is right. I will write a full solution. Let's make a simple model of this problem. Imagine that we have \(n\) balls. There is no matter what is first, what is the second,..., they are all the same. And we have \(N\) boxes where to put this balls. You can put this \(n\) balls in any box that you like. On the picture there are some ways how to put 10 balls into 5 boxes. The number of the balls in the first box is \(x_1\), in the second  \(x_2\) ... in the \(N\)th  \(x_N\).dw:1350209158710:dw Lets make the side of the box as 1 and about the ball as 0. Every placement of the balls in this boxes can be shown as the sequence of \(n+N+1\) zeros and 1's. For \(n=5\) and \(N=10\) an example will be 1000011000011001. But the first and the last term in this sequence must be 1 because they are the sides of the box. If we shift 0's and 1's inside the first and the last 1's we will get the new arrangement in the boxes. But we can replace only \((n+N+1)2=n+N1\) terms in the sequence. If we choose the places for 1's the place for 0's will be chosen automatically. So we can choose the place for 1's in \(\left(\begin{matrix}n+N1 \\ N1\end{matrix}\right)\) ways because we can shift \(N1\) 1's. Or we can shift 0's. then we will have \(\left(\begin{matrix}n+N1 \\ n\end{matrix}\right)\) ways. This will be an answer. Hope you understood and enjoyed this interesting problem.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
interesting!!
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Did you understand or not?
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yeah i see the picture ...
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Very good!
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
never thought i would have such interestingly simple technique.
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Try to solve my next ploblem using similar method.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
sure ..
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