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Solve the complex equation: \[(2+i)z ^{2}+(8-11i)z-5-25i=0\] I started to isolate the first term and got: \[z ^{2}+\frac{ 8-11i }{ 2+i }z + \frac{ -5-25i }{ 2+1 } = 0\] \[z ^{2}+(1-6i)z-(7+9i)=0\] How should i continue from here? I can't use the quadratic formula, right? So i guess i need to factorize, but how?
u can use quad formula here
What happens then when i take the square root of -7/4+6i?
\[\sqrt{-\frac{ 7 }{4 }+6i}\]
\[Z = \frac{ -b \pm \sqrt{b^2 - 4ac} }{ 2a }\]
\[\frac{ \-1+6i \pm \sqrt{(1-6i)^{2}+4(7*9i)} }{ 4}\]
But 1-6i squared is 1-12i-36 so i still get the root of i
can't u use calculator ?
We aren't allowed to use calculators at all at my university
then its not easy to solve this: even with completing the square method, u need square root of complex number.
can u convert complex number to polar form manually ?
Yepp, maybe it's easier to solve in Euler form?
Ok, I'll try it out it might just work :)
u know the answer ? if not wanna know ?
I know it, z=1+5i and z=-2+i
It got pretty wierd using the Euler formula so it's probobly not useble. But the Wolframalpha solutions factorize the hole thing into \[(z-1-5i)(z+(2-i))=0\] But I don't see how to come up with that without any computer..
yeah, even i did see wolf, all 3 methods....each required sqrt of (-7/4+6i)
By completing the squares it can also be written as\[(z+\frac{ 1-6i }{ 2 })^{2}-(\frac{ 1-6i }{2 })^{2} - (7+9i) = 0\]
one way to find the square root of the discriminant is use the idea (a+bi)^2 = sqrt( -117 + 44i) (Here I am using a, b, and c from the original problem) this means a^2-b^2 +2abi = -117 + 44i you can solve for a and b using a^2-b^2 = real part = -117 2ab = imag part = 44
Ohh, that's clever! Will try it out!
trust me, I did not figure this idea out first.
I've seen something like it before in my book so I get the idea :) But is this the general way to solve these kind of problems?
that idea is the basis for formulas for finding the root of a complex number in rect coords you could also change to polar. But that really needs a calculator to do the atans And in general, you are not going to get nice numbers no matter what approach (i.e. numbers you can handle without a calculator). This problem was chosen to be doable by hand (with a lot of work)
I really don't get why we are not allowed to use calculators but i guess it's good for the brain to do there problems without it. Is quite hard to convert into polarform to since the argument gets really nasty. Anyway, thank you alot for your help will have to practice this for som time i guess ;)
By the way are you guys at MIT allowed to use calculators to there kind of problems?
I graduated a while ago. But in general I would guess yes. Lots of times tests were open book (not that it helped!)
Open Book seems at least more genuine, it reflects the worklife better, than our memorization tests.
your discriminant simplifies to -7+24i the square root is reasonably straight forward