## Shadowys Group Title Try this fun question: A standard 52 poker deck is distributed among 4 persons. What are the chances of one of them getting all four 'A's? one year ago one year ago

1. terenzreignz

If a specific person is taken among the four, the chances of him/her getting all 4 aces, this is given by this expression: $\frac{\left(\begin{matrix}48 \\ 9\end{matrix}\right)}{\left(\begin{matrix}52 \\13\end{matrix}\right)}$ Multiply this by 4, and you have the probability that one of them gets all 4 aces.

2. terenzreignz

Hypergeometric distribution, the probability of k successes out of n draws from a finite population of size N containing m successes without replacement. (Wikipedia) Its probability density function is given by $\frac{\left(\begin{matrix}m \\ k\end{matrix}\right)\left(\begin{matrix}N-m \\ n-k\end{matrix}\right)}{\left(\begin{matrix}N \\ n\end{matrix}\right)}$ There are 52 cards in total, so N = 52 Each player is dealt 13 cards, so n = 13 If a "success" is to be defined as drawing an ace, then there are 4 such successes, therefore m = 4 The desirable outcome is for the player to draw 4 aces (successes), then k = 4 But $\left(\begin{matrix}4 \\ 4\end{matrix}\right)=1$

The first answer still has something missing out of it...something about the four.

4. terenzreignz

I'm lost :) I'm not really that good in Statistics... Please enlighten me :D

lol I didn't use statistics. It'll complicated the solution considerably. Though you are invited to try permutations and combinatorics.

6. terenzreignz

So what was lacking in my answer?

um, quite a lot. specifically the point that the cards of one person can be shuffled around without disturbing his sample space.

8. terenzreignz

Well, I'm completely lost :) I can do no further, I'm sorry :/

9. sauravshakya

Is it (4* 49C13 * 36C13 * 23C13)/(52C13 * 39C13 * 26C13)

Don't worry about it. My teacher spent an hour just trying to crack it. Almost went to statistic,too, before returning to standard permutations...

Sorry, saurav, no...but you did come close...though I'm curious where did you get 49 from? 52-3=49cards?

12. sauravshakya

Oh Sorry I guess I made a mistake there

13. sauravshakya

(4* 48C13 * 35C13 * 22C13)/(52C13 * 39C13 * 26C13)

14. sauravshakya

52-4=48

ah, You've come very very close to it. Just has an extra term, though.

Sorry, change the question to a specific person. Saurva, your answer was right. It was just a mistranslation on my part! lol

17. sauravshakya

Is it new question?

LOL yup! I translated this out of chinese...so please pardon my mistakes...a specific person gets all four As. What are the chances?

19. sauravshakya

(48C13 * 35C13 * 22C13)/(4*52C13 * 39C13 * 26C13)

Hmm...why the need to divide by four?.

21. sauravshakya

Oh sorry....... I forgot to put 4 in the numerator.

22. sauravshakya

(4*48C13 * 35C13 * 22C13)/(4*52C13 * 39C13 * 26C13)

23. sauravshakya

u got it?

yup. This is the right answer! nice! though would an analysis of a tree diagram might simplify the whole thing nicely?

25. Zarkon

you can also use the multinomial coefficient $\frac{{48\choose 9,13,13,13}}{{52\choose 13,13,13,13}}$ $=\frac{\frac{48!}{9!13!13!13!}}{\frac{52!}{13!13!13!13!}}$ $=\frac{48!13!}{52!9!}=\frac{11}{4165}$