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How can I calculate the time taken for an element to decay by a certain amount?
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How can I calculate the time taken for an element to decay by a certain amount?
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I have the decay constant and need to find out how long it will take for the element to decay from 5ug to 1ug
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Do you know differential equations or calculus?
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Yes, but I don't think this question requires it
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
The question I'm tryingt o answer is: TA sample of 24Na has a halflife of 234 hours, How much time elapses before a 5μg sample contains 1μg of undecayed atoms?
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[\frac{1}{c}e^{t \lambda}=ke^{t \lambda}=N\]
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
but I want to know how to do it myself
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Sorry, it deleted half of my answer
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I have used a similar equation \[N = N _{0}e ^{\lambda t}\]
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
...in the past
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/a/8/a/a8a0bd0a12874474352b307d9e919076.png \[\frac{1}{\lambda}(lnN+lnk)=\frac{1}{\lambda}(\ln(kN))=t\] \[(\ln(kN))=\lambda t\] \[kN=e^{\lambda t}\] \[N=ce^{\lambda t}\]
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Set c= sample at t=0 That is, \[ c= N_0 \]
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
That's the derivation of it
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ah, so its the same as my equation?
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
You're given the half life, so I'd convert it into 2^... instead of e^....
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I don't know how to get the values of N and N0 though, because that is the number of atoms, not the mass
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
hendce why I haven't already used that equation
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[N=N_0 (2^{\log_2(e)})^{\lambda t}=N_02^{\log_2(e) \lambda t}\]
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
N_0= 5μg Just call it '5' It doesn't matter which units you use (I suppose moles or no. of atoms would be most natural, though) as long as you're consistent
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
but N refers to atoms, not mass (which is the 5 and the 1)
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
So obviously the halflife \[= \log_2(e) \lambda\]
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Which element is it?
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
More specifically Sodium24
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[Moles= \frac{mass_{grams}}{A_r}\] \[Atoms= Moles* Avogadro'snumber\]
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
A.N.= 6.0221415 *10^23
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I thought about that, but in my questions, avogadros number isn't mentioned until the next part (therefore, due to my experience with exam paper questions, it isn't needed until then)
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
So initially the mass (N_0)\[=\frac{5*10^{6}}{24}6.0221415 *10^{23}\]
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I'm not sure if there's any other (fundamental i.e. not derived from it) way of working it out. Is this Homework or an exam paper?
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
both, set an exam question for HW
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I'll try working it out with the arogarrdo number (or whatever it is called lol)
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Anyway, \[\huge N=125461281250000000*2^{\frac{t_{hours}}{234}}\]
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Sorry, you're right, you don't need AN
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
You just need\[\large 2^{\frac{t}{234}}=\frac{1}{5}\]
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[t=234(\log_2(0.2))\]
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I got t = 1955669
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
=543.33 hours
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
is my answer right?
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Its in seconds
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I got 1955992.2
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
close enough (rounding errors)
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
So yes. Did you do it using the equation 8 posts ago?
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
no, I did this...
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
dw:1351694706420:dw
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
sorry about my terrible handwriting
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henpen Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I suppose that's possible, but it's not necessary to use Avoardo's number. All you need is \[N=N_0 2^{t/k}\] and\[N=N_0 \frac{1}{5}\]
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ah, i think I see what you have done now
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
the N0 will cancel
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
where has halflife came into it?
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kkid Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
(it seems a way better way to use it)
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