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If a,b are integers, what is the probability that \[a^2+b^2 \] is divisible by 10 ?
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If a,b are integers, what is the probability that \[a^2+b^2 \] is divisible by 10 ?
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
\((a^2+b^2)/10\) is integer
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
[0] means ?
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mahmit2012 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
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mahmit2012 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Is it clear?
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
trying to understand...seeing this type of approach for first time...
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
how did u get a,b belongs t0 {......}mod 5 ?
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
i think i am getting this a bit.....need to think
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
can u expalin more on why there is just one option ?
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mahmit2012 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
a and b are independent so P(a,b)=P(a).P(b)
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
i think i got other parts, except that there is only 1 option
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
ohh....right...i'll go through this again. thanks!
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
Also, any alternative approach will be appreciated....
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
@mukushla any other approach you can think of?
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sirm3d Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
for some reason, i only have p = 0.10
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
me too, but thats incorrect.
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sirm3d Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
i found my error. it is as what mahmit gave. but i have a different proof.
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sirm3d Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
break the parity of a and b into oddodd, oddeven, evenodd and eveneven. clearly, p(oddeven) and p(evenodd) = 0 since the sum of squares is odd, not divisible by 2.
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
sorry,didn't get u...
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sirm3d Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
still polishing my argument.
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Use this rule. If \(a\equiv x \mod 10 \) then \(a^2\equiv x^2 \mod 10 \) All different values for a can be 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10. The probability that a is divisible by 10 is 1/10. Now find the values for \(a^2\) in mod 10.
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sirm3d Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
oops, i got 0.18 this time. hahaha. do you have the correct answer?
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
no, i don't have correct answer
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
for a^2, probability is 1/6, i get that what about a^2+b^2
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sirm3d Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
i got it, 0.18
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Now what is probability:dw:1352033286386:dw
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
The same table is for b. Now you have to write a table for \(a^2+b^2\) and watch what is for 0. Got it?
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
are both of you doing same thing ?
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Can you write a table for \(a^2+b^2\) ? With probabilities?
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
it will also contain 10 columns,right ? trying....
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sirm3d Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
just count pairs that add up to 10 in my table. there should be 18 of them. (0,0), (1,3), (1,7), to list a few
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
If you want to get it, better to draw the whole table for \(a^2+b^2\).
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
why is the answer drastically different from 2% ?
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Zarkon Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
2 5 0 7 6 7 0 5 2 1 5 8 3 0 9 0 3 8 5 4 0 3 8 5 4 5 8 3 0 9 7 0 5 2 1 2 5 0 7 6 6 9 4 1 0 1 4 9 6 5 7 0 5 2 1 2 5 0 7 6 0 3 8 5 4 5 8 3 0 9 5 8 3 0 9 0 3 8 5 4 2 5 0 7 6 7 0 5 2 1 1 4 9 6 5 6 9 4 1 0
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sirm3d Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
here's the first half of (a,b) mod 10 (0,0), (1,3), (1,7), (2,4), (2,6), (3,1), (3,9), (4,2),(4,8)
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Answer is \(\frac{14}{100}=0.14\).
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sirm3d Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
i say it's 18/100, same as @Zarkon
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
why is the answer drastically different from 2% ? how is that table formed ? @Zarkon ?
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sirm3d Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
the 2% only counted 5,5 and 0,0.
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@sirm3d please write all the pairs.
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Zarkon Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I used Octave
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Zarkon Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
for i=1:10;for j=1:10;A(i,j)=mod(i^2+j^2,10);endfor;endfor
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>> A A = 2 5 0 7 6 7 0 5 2 1 5 8 3 0 9 0 3 8 5 4 0 3 8 5 4 5 8 3 0 9 7 0 5 2 1 2 5 0 7 6 6 9 4 1 0 1 4 9 6 5 7 0 5 2 1 2 5 0 7 6 0 3 8 5 4 5 8 3 0 9 5 8 3 0 9 0 3 8 5 4 2 5 0 7 6 7 0 5 2 1 1 4 9 6 5 6 9 4 1 0 >> length(find(A==0)) ans = 18
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sirm3d Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
here's the other nine (5,5) (6,2), (6,8) (7,1), (7,9) (8,4), (8,6) (9,3), (9,7)
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
also why are we only considering numbers till 100, will it make any difference, if we consider 1000 numbers ?
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Sorry, my fault. Really  \(\frac{18}{100}\)
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
i got now, how we got 18 pairs for 100....
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sirm3d Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
finally, we are all in agreement. hurrah.
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
why consider only 100? will it make any difference, if we consider 1000 numbers ?
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
because if we consider only 10 numbers, we get different answer....
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sirm3d Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
5^2 + 15^2 is divisible by 10, so is 5^2 + (10k+5)^2, so why bother bigger numbers, when the last digit suffices?
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Zarkon Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
you are doing division by 10 (mod 10) there are only 10 numbers in that system. So we only need to consider the 10x10 possibilities to get the proportion
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hartnn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
aah! okk, got that....
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mahmit2012 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
0.18 is not true. 0.02 is true. Be sure.
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where's the fault in our discussion ?
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sirm3d Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@mahmit2012 what about the pairs 1,7 and 1,3? are they not solutions too? they were not counted in your argument.
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sirm3d Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@mahmit2012 you only saw 5,5 and 0,0 in your proof. that explains your 2/100=0.02. what about 1,7 pair?
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