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If a rocket is launched at a 30 degree angle, with a velocity of 36.7 m/s, an average time of 4.3025 s, and a distance of 116.63 m, what is the highest height it reaches in the air?
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capooza Group Title
If a rocket is launched at a 30 degree angle, with a velocity of 36.7 m/s, an average time of 4.3025 s, and a distance of 116.63 m, what is the highest height it reaches in the air?
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MuH4hA Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Average time of what exactly? And what's that distance supposed to be? Your question doesn't make any sense  please restate it more accurately.
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Average time the rocket is in the air. The distance is how far the rocket traveled. I need delta y max, or the height at the highest point the rocket reaches while in the air.
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MuH4hA Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
So your rocket is not actually a rocket but is ahm.. "thrown" ??? Or do you have numbers on how much fuel is burned and what the exhaust velocity is etc? Distance on the ground?
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Yes, distance on the ground. And yes, sorry, the rocket is launched from a tennis ball launcher, so thrown is correct. This was an activity we actually did in physics class, so these are real numbers.
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MuH4hA Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Okay, just for the future  not just here online  try to be really specific and precise, when it comes to ahm.. science and stuff ^_^ Also: Where exactly are you stuck at? Have you gotten anywhere on your own, yet?
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Yeah, sorry about that, I guess I forgot about those details. I mainly need an equation that applies to this situation. Or is it using trig? That's mostly itI'm not really sure what I should be using to solve it.
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MuH4hA Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Well ahm.. there's really more than one way to do it. For starters: Do you think that  in general  the time an object stays in the air has anything to do with how far it moves horizontally?
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Well...we got an equation [delta x = V (sub x) * delta t] where delta x was the distance covered and delta t was the change in time. That's what I assumed it was talking about.
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MuH4hA Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Well ahm.. that equation doesn't really have to do with what you want to know at all.. so ahm.. about my previous question  what do you think? dw:1354261442965:dw If you were to throw 2 objects like the poor drawing I made. Would one object be longer in the air if they both reach the same height? (we are disregarding friction here, but that's ok)
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Well, the one with the further distance would be in the air longer, correct?
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MuH4hA Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Nope, I'm sorry. In fact, it does not matter how far you throw an object at all  it only matters how "far" you throw it vertically  how high. I you would get on the roof of your house and let a tennisball fall straight down and at the same time throw one horizontally, they hit the ground at the exact same time. The "vertical component" of their movement is exactly the same. They both get accelerated at 9.81 meters per second per second  _every_ object on earth does. Thus, every object on earth falls at the exact same rate. (In reality, if you got something like a snowflake, there's so much airfriction, it does slow down, but calculating airfriction is rly complicated and normally you just omit it and it's ok. I'm sure, your teacher doesn't want you to take it into account.)
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MuH4hA Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Once, you understand that, you see that we would only need the time it takes your rocket to hit the ground, to calculate how high it went. But as we are even given it's initial speed and the angel at which it's thrown, we could also  for example  apply trigonometry and figure out it's vertical velocity at the beginning.. which way do you want to do it? (that's not the only possibilities btw..)
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Oh! Right! Yeah, I remember learning that now. Um, how complex is the equation that would use initial speed and the angle?
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MuH4hA Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Well  it's not complicated at all. (maybe you'd disagree ;) ). Anywho.. I'd like to hear it from you  I am sure, you can figure this out... What do you know about the relationship about velocity and acceleration and all that stuff?
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Ok, wait, is this [delta y = V initial y *t + (1/2) gt^2]?
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MuH4hA Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Thats somewhat correct  depends on what your value for g is. Cause gravity is going to accelerate the rocket to the ground  that means, in the opposite direction of your initial speed. Therefor your g has to be negative, or  if it's positive  it's gotta read \[y(t) =  {1 \over 2}g t^2 + v_0 t + y_0\](mind the minus sign in front of the acceleration term). y_0 is just your ycomponent at the start. This can just be 0, if you are launching from the ground.
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MuH4hA Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Oh yeah  and as you correctly stated, that v_0 is supposed to be the ycomponent of the speed.. we have to calculate what it is with simple trigonometry. Also  _when_ do you think, your rocket will be at the highest point? At what time?
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Yeah, we were told g= 9.81, or about. So wait, is y_0 = 0 or do we calculate it? And it'd be halfway, or 2.15125 s, right?
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MuH4hA Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
That's correct  the rocket will be at it's highest point exactly "halfways" through the air. And yes, y_0 is zero, if you launch from the point ground. I just wrote the equation like this, so you could use it even if you launched from like 2 meters above ground or whatnot. (Although then, the fact with t/2 being the highest point would no longer be true). In any case: all that's left to do is to figure out v_0 in the ydirection and plug it in ...
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Ok, so if we're using trig does that mean this involves a triangle? Cause how would the velocity apply to that?
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MuH4hA Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Hmm.. do you know about sin() and cos() and the relationship between hypotenuse and catheti and angles and stuff? (imma try to draw something again ^^)
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yeah, i know the trig functions.
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MuH4hA Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
dw:1354264081889:dwSo v is the hypotenuse of our triangle and v_x and v_y are the catheti. Now you just gotta figure out how v_y relates to alpha and v. It's really not hard  just give it a try ;)
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
So 30 = sin(V), then solve for V?
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I mean sin(30)=V_y/V.
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MuH4hA Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
That's correct! Very good! :)
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
So is V the velocity given originally? 36.7 m/s? And then is V_y the height? Or do I have that screwed up?
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MuH4hA Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Well yes, v is the velocity, you were given initially. v_y is the 'ycomponent' (vertical) of this initial velocity. Since the horizontal component id not needed for our calculation, we do not need to get it, but it would be similar:\[v_y = \sin(\alpha) v\]\[v_x = \cos(\alpha) v\]Now what do you get for v_y?
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Approximately 36.261 m.
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MuH4hA Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
First of all: v is a velocity. That means, it's distance over time, thus it's unit gotta be meters per second (or something similar). Be sure to pay attention to this, whenever you do physicsproblems. Messing up ur units can get you in loads of trouble. 2nd: That's wrong, I'm sorry. You should see, it's gotta be wrong. How can the velocity in the vertical direction be negative? And all of it is like 36.7 meters per secon. If you shoot it at 30° wouldn't you expect something like _roughly_ half of it being in the y and half in the x?? Hint: When using trigfunctions, always pay attention to this degree/radiantstuff. Do _not_ enter your angle in degree, when your calculator is set to radians ;)
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
That's what it wasmy calculator is set in radians from the calc test I took today :P
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Ok! Much better: 18.35 m/s. I was a bit confused when sin(30) wasn't a nice, even number.
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MuH4hA Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
That is correct. Now you just gotta go back and plug everything in ;)
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Ok, I got 169.750 m.
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MuH4hA Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Hmm.. just think about that result. Doesn't 170m sound a liiiittle bit high for you? 1. remember t = 2.15 for our highest point, not 4.3 2. be sure to use the right sign on your acceleration ;)
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Ok, is the value of g that's being used here 9.81?
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MuH4hA Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
As I mentioned before, that depends on your sign for the acceleration term. Just make sure, the resulting acceleration is negative. (cause our yaxis is going upwards, not downwards)
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Alright, what I got was 62.126.
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MuH4hA Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Hmm, you plugged in the right time, yet your sign for the acceleration term is still wrong. Again: If you are going to use a positive g, you need to use\[y(t) = 0.5 g t^2 + v t\]If you are using a negative g, you need to use\[y(t) = 0.5 g t^2 + v t \]Your acceleration has to point inthe negative ydirection. (This is, cause we are using a y axis that is going upwards. Thus our initial velocity upwards is also positive.)
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Ok, maybe this time: 16.779
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
...I take it it's wrong :P
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MuH4hA Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
If that's meters, it looks good to me ;) One last thing I'll briefly mention is: If those numbers really come from an experiment, the time you are given is pretty ridiculous: No way in HELL can you measure that time to 1/10000 of a second. If you did it "by hand" you probably got an error of about 0.1  0.2 seconds (if not more). So using a tvalue with more than one decimal place is just pure bullpellet and gives the impression of precision that's simply not there. (That's not that important right now, but if you gonna continue to do physics at a collegelvl or whatever, you should pay attention to it ;) )
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Oh, we took an average of 4 different times that we measured with stopwatches (: That's how we got that. But noted! And thank you SO MUCH for all your help! It's very much appreciated.
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MuH4hA Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I figured, you did that ;) It's just  I'm tutoring a physicslab at my university for example and that's the one thing, were I reaally get mad, when students do that.. that's why I wanted to mention it  it's just baloney. But nevermind  you don't have to wrack your brain with that (yet). Glad I could be of some help  you are very welcome :)
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capooza Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Got it (: Well, thanks again, and goodbye!
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