## Calle87 Group Title Prove that sqrt(1+x)>1+(x/2) using MVT one year ago one year ago

1. Calle87 Group Title

should i find f(x) first?

2. quantum77 Group Title

This inequality isn't true, are you sure it's not sqrt(1+x)<1+(x/2)? For example if you try x=1 sqrt(1+1)>1+1/2 => sqrt(2)>1.5 is false.

3. Calle87 Group Title

yes i wrote it wrong, the sign is the wrong way

4. Calle87 Group Title

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6. Calle87 Group Title

im just not sure how to apply the MVT

7. tamtoan Group Title

square both sides and see what you get .

8. quantum77 Group Title

You can square both sides but it says mean value theorem? Does the question give you some lower bound like for all x>0 or x>=-1? As the mean value theorem says: for a differentiable function f(x) on the closed interval (a,b) and is continuous on [a,b] then there exists a c where a<=c<=b where: $f \prime(c)=\frac{ f(b)-f(a) }{ b-a }$ and you are correct that in this case f(x)=1+(x/2)-sqrt(1+x).

9. Calle87 Group Title

x>0

10. Calle87 Group Title

ya i cant square both sides

11. tamtoan Group Title

ty quantum, didn't even know what MVT were :), sorry calle87 :)

12. Calle87 Group Title

not sure how to do it with just {a,b} use to having an interval

13. Calle87 Group Title

s'ok :}

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15. Calle87 Group Title

f'(c) is strange

16. quantum77 Group Title

Okay so that means that there exists a c where 0<c<=x: That: $f \prime(c)=\frac{ f(x)-f(0) }{ x-0 }$ Then, $1+c/2-1/(2*\sqrt{1+c})=\frac{ (1+x/2-\sqrt(1+x))-(1-1)}{ x }=\frac{ 1+x/2-\sqrt(1+x) }{ x }$ Notice that, if c>0: 1/sqrt(1+c)<1 therefore should be able to work out f'(c)>0 for all c>0. Then, $\frac{ 1+x/2-\sqrt(1+x) }$ Since, x>0 the numerator is also greater than 0. Which is the original inequality :)

17. quantum77 Group Title

Sorry in the last equation it should have said:$\frac{ 1+x/2-\sqrt(1+x) }{ x }>0$

18. Calle87 Group Title

hmmm, f'(c) why is the one not zero?

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20. Calle87 Group Title

this is were i get lost

21. quantum77 Group Title

Sorry (shoun't be a one). Let me work it out :p

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23. mahmit2012 Group Title

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24. quantum77 Group Title

Haha, we both messed up the derivative... it should be f(c)=1/2*(1-1/sqrt(1+c)). Which is not hard to show it is greater than 0

25. quantum77 Group Title

$\sqrt(1+c)>1 => 1/\sqrt(1+c)<1 => 0.5*(1-1/\sqrt(1+c))>=0$

26. Calle87 Group Title

so c is a constant

27. quantum77 Group Title

c is some constant in the range (0,x)

28. mahmit2012 Group Title

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29. Calle87 Group Title

mahmit how do you get that?

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31. mahmit2012 Group Title

what are you doing? it is solved but with different inequality!!

32. mahmit2012 Group Title

MVT

33. Calle87 Group Title

so i can just take sqrt(1+x) as f(x) and apply the MVT to it directly

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35. mahmit2012 Group Title

yes.

36. Calle87 Group Title

wow omg, thank you so much!

37. mahmit2012 Group Title

but instead of > should be<

38. mahmit2012 Group Title

unless for x<0

39. Calle87 Group Title

well what do i do with this?

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41. mahmit2012 Group Title

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42. Calle87 Group Title

x>0

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44. Calle87 Group Title

wait how do you just jump from here ?

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46. Calle87 Group Title

@mahmit2012 do you know what happens to this?

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