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How many number of degrees of freedom of these system??
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gerryliyana Group Title
How many number of degrees of freedom of these system??
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guyofreckoning2 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
can you provide a higher quality?
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gerryliyana Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
what do you mean?
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guyofreckoning2 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I cannot understand the picture... it's too difficult too read
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guyofreckoning2 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
*to
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guyofreckoning2 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
wait nvm
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guyofreckoning2 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
6's? are they 6's in the partial circles?
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gerryliyana Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
itsn't 6
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guyofreckoning2 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I am sorry to admit I cannot, I probably just provided false hope and nothing else, I thought it were a pic of something else but I was wrong, not too good at that.. Sorry, I am truly sorry. It's running slow tonight and everything.
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guyofreckoning2 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
but at least I can provide a medal
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gerryliyana Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ok no problem ..., :)
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guyofreckoning2 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
heh, the place is running slow tonight, kinda mean to drop in and not answer someone's question
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kr7210 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
its a coupled oscillator and its degree of freedom is "one"
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kr7210 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
2*2111=1
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VincentLyon.Fr Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
There are two degrees of freedom.
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aero_elastic Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Assuming the two rods that the masses are suspended from are fixed (their length won't change) there is two degrees of freedom in the system. The position of each rod can be written in terms of its angular displacement (1DOF each). The length of the spring too can be written in terms of the two theta terms (assuming one knows the distance between base of the two rods that the masses are suspended from). The system can be described in more terms (x,y coordinates of masses 1&2), but two are all that's needed.
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gerryliyana Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ok, i saw when n independent coordinates are required to specify the position of the masses of a system, the system is of n degrees of freedom. For example if the masses m1 and m2 are contrained to move vertically, at least one coordinate (just call x(t)) is required to define the location of each mass at any time. Thus te system requires altogether two coordinates to specify their positions; it is a twodegreeoffreedom system.., right???
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VincentLyon.Fr Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
You're right.
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VincentLyon.Fr Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
Is it just a question about degrees of freedom or do you have to derive the equations of motion of this system?
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gerryliyana Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
very nice.., thank u @VincentLyon.Fr . it isn't only a question about degrees of freedom, i do have to derive the equations of motion, but in coupled oscillations of a loaded string
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gerryliyana Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
until to obtain wave equation
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gerryliyana Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
follow me: I finally did read a book "The Physics of Vibrations and Waves) by HJ Pain. It show how the coupled vibrations in the periodic structur of the loaded string become waves in a continuous medium. The equations of motion of the rth mass to be: \[\frac{ d^{2}y_{r} }{ dt^{2} } = \frac{ T }{ma } (y_{r+1}  2y_{r} + y_{r1})\] then separation a = dx and consider the limit dx > 0 as the masses merge into a continuous heavy string. The: \[\frac{ d^{2}y_{r} }{ dt^{2} } = \frac{ T }{ m } \left( \frac{ y_{r+1}2y_{r} + y_{r1} }{ dx} \right) = \frac{ T }{ m }\left( \frac{ (y_{r+1}  y_{r}) }{ dx } \frac{ (y_{r}y_{r1}) }{ dx } \right)\] \[= \frac{ T }{ m } \left[ \left( \frac{ dy }{ dx } \right)_{r+1}  \left( \frac{ dy }{ dx } \right)_{r} \right] \] and \[\left( \frac{ dy }{ dx } \right)_{x+dx}  \left( \frac{ dy }{ dx } \right)_{x} =\frac{ d^{2}y }{ dx^{2} } dx \] I'm a little bit confused by: \[\left( \frac{ dy }{ dx } \right)_{x+dx}  \left( \frac{ dy }{ dx } \right)_{x} =\frac{ d^{2}y }{ dx^{2} } dx \] why \(\left( \frac{ dy }{ dx } \right)_{x+dx}  \left( \frac{ dy }{ dx } \right)_{x} \) is equal to \(\frac{ d^{2}y }{ dx^{2} } dx\) ?????
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@gerryliyana it is simple just think practically let dy/dx=t then if i divide it by dx i.e. dw:1355218737331:dw then it is derivative :)
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gerryliyana Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
what if it's second derivative???
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means???????
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gerryliyana Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
If dy/dx = t shown by \[\frac{ t_{m+dm}t_{m} }{ dm } \] how the form formula for second derivative?
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Aperogalics Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
it would be dw:1355219544429:dw but t=dy/dm so dw:1355219573174:dw
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@gerryliyana
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gerryliyana Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
dw:1355219655154:dw
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Aperogalics Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
If dy/dx = t shown by tm+dm−tm/dm how the form formula for second derivative? in ur post @gerryliyana can you tell from where dm comes??????????
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gerryliyana Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ok ok i got it.., i'm sorry ..., hehe
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Aperogalics Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
no prob. :)
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gerryliyana Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Ok, so \[y' = \lim_{dx \rightarrow 0} \frac{ y_{x+dx}  y_{x} }{ dx } \] and for second derivative \[y'' = \lim_{dx \rightarrow 0} \frac{ y'_{x+dx}  y'_{x} }{ dx }\] \[dx y''= y'_{x+dx}  y'_{x}\] \[dx \frac{ d^{2}y }{ dt^{2} } = \left( \frac{ dy }{ dx } \right)_{x+dx}  \left( \frac{ dy }{ dx } \right) _{x}\] Ok??????
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kr7210 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i'm sorry, a coupled oscillator have 2 degree of freedom coz of have two generalized coordinate to describe the system, sorry again.
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gerryliyana Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ok no problem @kr7210 thank you for coming :)
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Aperogalics Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@gerryliyana it's correct now :)
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