## jennychan12 Group Title Integral Question. See below, one year ago one year ago

1. Dido525

O_o .

2. jennychan12

If $\int\limits_{0}^{6} (x^2-2x+2)dx$ is approximated by 3 inscribed rectangles of equal width, then the approximation is... 1) 24 B) 26 C) 28 D)76 E) 48

3. jennychan12

sorry typed something wrong. and that 1 is supposed to be an A

4. jennychan12

so i got the integrated area to be 48, so answers either a b or c

5. Dido525

Wait.

6. Dido525

Wait, what kind of rectangles? Left, right, or midpoint?

7. jennychan12

the problem doesnt say. i'm assuming left

8. jennychan12

cuz it says inscribed

9. Dido525

Well you are right. It's either A, B or C :D . Now can you do it out? :) .

10. Dido525

$\Delta(x)=\frac{ 6-0 }{ 3 }$

11. jennychan12

i'm confused my friend says to use riemann sum. what's the formula for that?

12. Dido525

$\Delta(x) = 2$

13. Dido525

In this particular example, a Riemann sum is basically the sum of the individual rectangles.

14. Dido525

When you learn about definite intergals you will have a good idea about what they actually mean.

15. jennychan12

is it $\frac{ b-a }{ n } \sum_{i = 1}^{n} f(x)$ ??

16. Dido525

No wait, that's right.

17. Dido525

So yeah you get the idea. It's the sum of all the rectangles multiples by the change in x,(i.e the width) .

18. jennychan12

that's what i did but i got 28 and the answer's 26

19. Dido525

Then you have to use diffrent kinds of rectangles because your answer is correct.

20. jennychan12

26 or 28 ?

21. Dido525

It's 26.

22. Dido525

But if you use left rectangles then it's 28.

23. jennychan12

why? sorry can u explain?

24. jennychan12

oh.

25. jennychan12

so right hand it's 26 or..?

26. Dido525

So this is a very stupid question because it dosen't specify the type of rectangles.

27. Dido525

Well right hand is 76 actually.

28. Dido525

But it dosen't specify what type of rectangle. Left, right or midpoint.

29. jennychan12

where'd the 26 come from? midpoint?

30. Dido525

No, midpoint is 46.

31. Dido525

But shall I explain left and right rectangles?

32. Dido525

If you use left, you get 28. If you use right you get 76.

33. Dido525

Shall I explain?

34. jennychan12

wait so where did the 26 come from. please explain. i'm so lost. :(

35. Dido525

36. jennychan12

cuz this other person used 2(f(1)+f(2)+f(4)) and got 26 but i don't understand where the f(1) came from...

37. jennychan12

oh.

38. Dido525

Wait hold on.

39. Dido525

Yeah, 28 should be correct. I disagree with the answer.

40. Dido525

If you use 3 subintervals you CANNOT get 26 in anyway.

41. Dido525

The formula would be (2)(f(0)+f(2)+f(4))

42. jennychan12

yeah i did that... and got 28

43. Dido525

Which is absolutely correct.

44. Dido525

It CANNOT be 26 if you use left rectangles.

45. Dido525

if you use right rectangles it's (2)(f(2)+f(4)+f(6)) which is 76.

46. jennychan12

yeah i got 28 and 76 but i chose 28. so my teacher is wrong. hmph.

47. Dido525

Yep, you teacher is wrong.

48. jennychan12

thanks for clarifying. :)

49. Dido525

In reality the exact value of that integral is 48 but you will learn that later.

50. jennychan12

yeah i know. i calculated it.

51. Dido525

Kk.

52. yun2thejae

Good 'ol Riemann's screwing with everybody's head.

53. Dido525

I just hope I don't have to do it after my first year in uni :/ . AP calc helped so much though XD .

54. jennychan12

ohhhhhhh i think i got it they used average value

55. yun2thejae

LOL

56. oldrin.bataku

$$A\simeq2(2^2-2(2)+2+4^2-2(4)+2+6^2-2(6)+2)\\\ \ \ =2(4-4+2+16-8+2+36-12+2)\\\ \ \ =2(38)=76$$ (using right end-points)$$A\simeq2(0^2-2(0)+2+2^2-2(2)+2+4^2-2(4)+2)=2(2+4-4+2+16-8+2)\\\ \ \ =2(14)=28$$ (using left end-points)$$A\simeq2(1^2-2(1)+2+3^2-2(3)+2+5^2-2(5)+2)\\\ \ \ =2(1-2+2+9-6+2+25-20+2)\\\ \ \ =2(13)=26$$ (using midpoints)

57. Dido525

^ Reason why they they should specify the question.

58. jennychan12

my friend just assumed that inscribed meant left end points

59. Dido525

@oldrin.bataku : Please don't just give the answer next time. The point of this place is to help other people learn. Not give them the answer.

60. Dido525

@jennychan12 : That's a flase assumption.

61. Dido525

false*

62. Dido525

@oldrin.bataku : If you use midpoints, it's 46 not 26.

63. yun2thejae

Lol Oldrin and i have been spending plenty of time explaining problems to different users. I would give him a break xD. I was bored and decided to use this site for the first time today and, oddly enough, I can't stop attempting to solve problems. Probably because I don't want to forget my math whilst im on winter break.

64. Dido525

I know but it's just that's it's against the TOS so I try not to. I make that mistake too. It's cool ^_^ .

65. oldrin.bataku

@Dido525 you're right, 2(5) = 10 so it's actually 2(23) = 46 for the approximate area.

66. oldrin.bataku

If it requires inscribed rectangles then the approximation must use left end-point... mid- and right- will not be entirely under the parabola.

67. Dido525

That's why we have the trapozoidal rule ;) . Ans simpsons rule :P .

68. Dido525

and*

69. Dido525

But yes @oldrin.bataku is correct. If they MUST be inscribed then you MUSt use left rectangles.

70. Dido525

MUST*

71. oldrin.bataku

@Dido525 if you go into a Scientific Computation course you'll learn about plenty more numerical methods e.g. Runge-Kutta or Adams-Moulton :-p Euler's and Verlet are really common for physics problems.

72. yun2thejae

Conversation is too much for this PoSci major xD.

73. Dido525

I looked at Runge-kutta but it makes no sense XD . I am going much deeper into math next year so hopefully then :) .

74. Dido525

75. jennychan12

it's aiight.

76. agent0smith

Nobody drew a damn diagram :P

77. Dido525

Sigh...

78. yun2thejae

Diagram was drawn in the other thread.

79. jennychan12

^ haha yes

80. Dido525

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81. Dido525

Something like that.

82. jennychan12
83. agent0smith

that's the same thread as this one...

84. yun2thejae

LOL

85. Dido525

|dw:1355899651047:dw| That would be incorrect since it does not enclose the curve.

86. jennychan12

yeah i got really confused and tried to do another one to resolve my confusion... :D cuz that other person made me confused

87. oldrin.bataku

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88. Dido525

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89. Dido525

If you use midpoints it still dosen't enclose the curve fully.

90. agent0smith

Inscribed rectangles *should* mean rectangles within the curve, but it sounds like that didn't work, so the damn question is broken.

91. Dido525

Damn question.

92. Dido525

It's is 28 though without a doubt.

93. oldrin.bataku

94. jennychan12

yeah

95. agent0smith

inscribed rectangles would give 26, but i feel like that was already covered in this mess somewhere

96. yun2thejae

You haven't done "work" problems in your calc class yet have you?

97. agent0smith

Wait, why isnt the answer 26? 3 inscribed rectangles = area of 26.

98. jennychan12

what do u mean? kinetic energy? i do that in physics....

99. jennychan12

@agent0smith can u explain???

100. yun2thejae

there are "work" problems you use calculus for. Pray that you do not have to do them xD

101. Dido525

If you use 3 inscribed rectangles it's 28 not 26.

102. yun2thejae

The previous thread came up with 26. this one says 28. let's meet half way and say it's 27...oh wait.

103. jennychan12

lol

104. agent0smith

The height of the first is 1, length is 2 height of the second is 2, length is 2 height of the third is 10, length is 2. 2+4+20

105. agent0smith

How'd you get 28, @Dido525

106. jennychan12

left endpoint is 28

107. Dido525

=(2) * ( f(0) + f(2) + f(4) ) = (2) * ( 2 + 2 + 10 ) = 28

108. agent0smith

Inscribed have to be all within the curve, no edges jutting out: it's not f(0), it's f(1), the height of the first rectangle.

109. agent0smith

That is not an inscribed rectangle.

110. jennychan12

that's what that other person did in that other thread 2(f(1)+f(2)+f(4)) = 26 but why would be f(1)??? where does the 1 even come from?

111. Dido525

But f(0) is inscribed.

112. agent0smith

I'll draw it jenny. One sec.

113. Dido525

I want to see this too.

114. agent0smith

dido, look at the graph: http://www.google.com/search?q=x%5E2-2x%2B2&aq=f&oq=x%5E2-2x%2B2&sugexp=chrome,mod=18&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 and then look where a rectangle at f(0) would fall... it's not inscribed. it goes over the curve.

115. Dido525

Isn't that the same thing as inscribed?

116. Dido525

Inscribed meaning within.

117. agent0smith

No, inscribed means it falls completely within the curve, no jutting out over it.

118. jennychan12

okay. i understand that f(1) = 1 but.... oh wait. i see where you're going with this....

119. Dido525

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120. Dido525

But rectangles will never cover a curve fully, it's impossible.

121. Dido525

Like, it covers it fully but it's an overestimate.

122. agent0smith

123. Dido525

Ohh shoot! O_o .

124. agent0smith

Those are inscribed rectangles, they underestimate the area greatly of course.

125. Dido525

Ahh, NOW this makes sense.

126. agent0smith

hahah :)

127. Dido525

But if it's an underestimate, it's not inscribed is it?

128. jennychan12

ok yeah i see it too.

129. agent0smith

I googled inscribed rectangles just to be sure.

130. Dido525

Wait, why did you do a midpoint for the first rectangle?

131. Dido525

132. agent0smith

Because that's the only way to have it inscribed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inscribed_figure

133. Dido525

NOW this all makes sense :D .

134. agent0smith

Inscribed rectangles can be either left or right endpoint

135. agent0smith

or midpoint

136. agent0smith

@jennychan12 you see how it's 26 now? the height of the first is f(1), next is f(2), then f(4)

137. Dido525

I would give you my medal if I could :P .

138. agent0smith

haha :) this whole confusion was all over the meaning of the word inscribed :D

139. Dido525

Agreed! :D . But hey, this might be n my final so it was good for me too :) .

140. agent0smith

haha good :) hopefully this clears things up Jenny, before you went and told your teacher he/she was wrong because a bunch of people on the internet said so! :D

141. Dido525

She is offline :/ .

142. Dido525

@jada1701877 : You should have given that to agent.

143. jennychan12

thanks so much! and yeah, i went off at like 11 cuz i went to sleep. :)