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Asad0000
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Find a potential function for:
F = y sin(z)i + x sin(z)j + xy cos(z)k
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Asad0000 Group Title
Find a potential function for: F = y sin(z)i + x sin(z)j + xy cos(z)k
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KingGeorge Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
By "potential function" you mean some function \(f(x,y,z)\) of three variables such that \[\frac{\partial}{\partial x}f(x,y,z)=y\sin(z)\]\[\frac{\partial}{\partial y}f(x,y,z)=x\sin(z)\]and\[\frac{\partial}{\partial z}f(x,y,z)=xy\cos(z)\]correct?
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blackjesus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
The potential of F is any function f such that del f = F.
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KingGeorge Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Good to know. Then, to solve this, notice that \[\frac{\partial}{\partial x}f(x,y,z)=y\sin(z)\]is a constant function of \(x\). Likewise, \[\frac{\partial}{\partial y}f(x,y,z)=x\sin(z)\]is a constant function of \(y\). What does that tell you about what the function \(f(x,y,z)\) has to look like?
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Asad0000 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I got this: xycos(z), xycos(z), xysin(z). Is this correct?
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blackjesus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Don't quote me on this, but I believe George gave you part of the answer. Now if I remember correctly all you have to do integrate each part of his answer with respect to x, y, and z and then find the constant of integration. That is, intergrate the first part with respect to x, the second part with respect to y, and the last part with respect to z. Then find the constant of integration. I can't do it for you because I am not really sure how to go about it. I'ts been over 10 years since I graduate it from engineering school.
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
There is a methodical way of doing this.
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Asad0000 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I did the integration part and got the above answer but how do I find the constant of integration?
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[ \frac{\partial}{\partial x}f(x,y,z)=y\sin(z) \implies f(x, y, z) = xy\sin(z)+g(y, z) \]
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
So then you integrate another function to solve for \(g(y, z)\).
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KingGeorge Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Since you're asked for "a" potential function, you don't need to worry about a general constant C, since any constant will work, you can just choose 0 and be done with it.
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blackjesus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
If I remember correctly I think you can equate all our integrals to each other and then compare coefficients. May be you would be better off asking one of the resident geniuses.
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KingGeorge Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
From what I'm seeing, wio's way of doing this will get you to a solution, rather easily.
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[ \frac{\partial}{\partial y} xy\sin(z) +g(y, z) =x \sin(z) +g'(y, z) \]\[ \frac{\partial}{\partial y}f(x,y,z)=x\sin(z) \]This tells us what?
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
It seems that \(g'(y, z) = 0\). So we know that \(g(y, z)\) is a constant with respect to \(y\).
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blackjesus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
wonder why none of the local residents just give you the answer
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KingGeorge Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
^^because giving answers for free is against the Code of Conduct.
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
So we have: \[ f(x, y, z) =xy\sin(z) +h(z) \]\[ \frac{\partial}{\partial z} xy\sin(z) +h(z) = xy\cos(z) + h'(z) \]\[ \frac{\partial}{\partial z}f(x,y,z)=xy\cos(z) \]So \(h'(z)=0\). It's pretty obvious now that our potential function is just: \[ f(x, y, z) = xy\sin(z) +C \]And as @KingGeorge said, the \(C\) will work for any constant. In fact there just isn't anyway for us to know what \(C\) is.
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blackjesus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
what is "giving the answer for free?"
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@blackjesus It's giving them a solution without having them put forth any effort on their own part to solve it.
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KingGeorge Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
^^well said.
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Ideally you walk the through it. Sometimes people are so confused that they need a walk through of a problem to understand the method.
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blackjesus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Oh! Without "giving" the answer away, if you take wio's answer and find the gradient of it. If you end up with the function F that you started with. You have the right answer.
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blackjesus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Addendum: The only way to learn Math is to do lots of problems. However, answering a question with a question will not help the student learn anything. I have to go now. Good bye. Good luck.
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Yes, the methodology is as follows: 1) Integrate the function in terms of \(x\) (or some other variable). \( f(x, y, z) = \int F_xdx +g(y, z) \) 2) Take the derivative in terms of \(y\) (or some other variable). Then solve for \(g'(y, z)\). \(F_y = \frac{\partial }{\partial y}\int F_xdx +g'(y, z)\) \(g'(y, z) = F_y  \frac{\partial }{\partial y}\int F_xdx \) 3) Integrate in terms of \(y\). \(\int g'(y, z)dy = g(y, z) + h(z) \) 4) Solve for \(h(z)\) the same way we did for \(g(y, z)\).
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