Math4Life Group Title Find the value of tan (a-b) if cos a = 3/5 , sin = b 5/13, 0° < a < 90°, and 0° < b < 90° one year ago one year ago

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@hartnn think you could help me on this one? :)

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know the formula for tan(a-b) ??

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kind of, i'm doing an alternative thing for my teacher where we try to work ahead on stuff we haven't learned yet so I don't really understand the concept, I want the answer because it gives me extra credit, but I want to understand and for you to explain it to me so I know how to do it for the future :)

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@Callisto @campbell_st @completeidiot

5. campbell_st Group Title

you need to find the missing sides in 2 triangles |dw:1357801664006:dw| find x and y using pythagoras' theorem... this should be easy. then find for angle a.... the ratio for tan(a) and for angle b.... the ratio for tan(b) then substitute the ratios into the expansion of tan(a - b) hope this makes sense

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It kind of makes sense, do you think you could work through the problem with me?

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ok... what are the lengths of x and y...?

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well we haven't figured them out yet

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can you calculate them using pythagoras' theorem $5^2 = 3^2 + x^2$ and $13^2 = 5^2 + y^2$

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x = 4, -4 y = 12, -12

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well with mesurements... you can only use the positives... you can show me -3 metres... but you can show me 3 metres ok... next step what is tan(a) = and tan(b) = both answers will be fractions...

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1.1578 or -1.1578 0.2126 or -0.2126 right?

13. campbell_st Group Title

nope not as decimals as fractions... just like in the question cos(a) = 3/5 you need to write them like that

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and only use positive values...

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Ok well let me convert them to fractions

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22/19 and 7/33

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not even close... you said x = 4 and y = 12 so what would tan(a) = and tan (b) =

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|dw:1357802809114:dw|

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a as in x and b as in y, correct?

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use the measurements in the drawing above to write fractions for tan(a) = and tan (b) =

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I am so confused right now, how do i solve for a and b?

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ok... do you understand that tan = opposite/adjacent... ?

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kind of

25. campbell_st Group Title

ok... from the diagram below |dw:1357803166503:dw| what is tan(a) = just write a fraction using the side measurements given

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4/3

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or 3/5?

28. campbell_st Group Title

great tan(a) = 4/3 now for angle b |dw:1357803706601:dw| what is tan(b) = as a fraction

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12/13?

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not quite tan = opposite/adjacent so tan(b) = 5/12 ok... do you know the expansion of tan(a - b)....?

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So tan(4/3 - 5/12) which is 30/23

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nope start with the expansion $\tan(a - b) = \frac{\tan(a) - \tan(b)}{1 + \tan(a)\tan(b)}$ so substitute tan(a) = 4/3 and tan(b) = 5/12 then just calculate it out...

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oops it should read $\tan(a - b) =\frac{ \tan(a) - \tan(b)}{1 + \tan(a)\times \tan(b)}$

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tan(4/3 - 5/12) = tan(4/3) - tan(5/12)/1 + tan(4/3) tan(5/12)

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nope... just put the fractions in (4/3 - 5/12)/(1 + 4/3 x 5/12)

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which is 33/35

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Ok i'm not trying to seem pushy but can we hurry it up here? It's 3am here and I have to get up at 5:30am and this is my last problem on my practice test

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I appreciate all your help and time thank you :)

40. campbell_st Group Title

good luck... you really need to know trig basics to be able to do this problem.

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If I keep working on this with you how long will it take? because I'm extremely tired

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Thank you for everything tonight

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good luck

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Thank you I appreciate it