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UnkleRhaukus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
\[\begin{equation*} \frac{\mathrm d^2 x}{\mathrm dy^2} +k^2y=f(x),\qquad k\in\mathbb R \end{equation*}\]
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UnkleRhaukus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
\[\newcommand\dd[1]{\,\mathrm d#1} % infinitesimal \newcommand\de[2]{\frac{\mathrm d #1}{\mathrm d#2}} % first order derivative \newcommand\pa[2]{\frac{\partial #1}{\partial #2}} % partial derivative \newcommand\den[3]{\frac{\mathrm d^#3 #1}{\mathrm d#2^#3}} % nth derivative \newcommand\pan[3]{\frac{\partial^#3 #1}{\partial#2^#3}} % nth partial derivative \begin{align*} y&=\frac1k\int\limits_0^x f(u)\sin k(xu) \dd u\\ \de yx&=\frac1k\int\limits_0^x \pa {}{x}\Big[f(u)\sin k(xu)\Big] \dd u\\ &=\frac1k\int\limits_0^x f_x(u)\sin k(xu)+kf(u)\cos k(xu) \dd u\\ \\ \\ \den yx2&=\frac1k\int\limits_0^x \pa {}x\Big[f_x(u)\sin k(xu)+kf(u)\cos k(xu)\Big] \dd u\\ &=\frac1k\int\limits_0^x f_{xx}(u)\sin k(xu)+kf_x(u)\cos k(xu)\\&\qquad\qquad+kf_x(u)\cos k(xu)kf(u)\sin k(xu)\dd u\\ &=\frac1k\int\limits_0^x\Big( f_{xx}(u)kf(u)\Big)\sin k(xu)+2kf_x(u)\cos k(xu)\dd u\\ \end{align*}\]
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UnkleRhaukus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
\[\newcommand\dd[1]{\,\mathrm d#1} % infinitesimal \newcommand\de[2]{\frac{\mathrm d #1}{\mathrm d#2}} % first order derivative \newcommand\pa[2]{\frac{\partial #1}{\partial #2}} % partial derivative \newcommand\den[3]{\frac{\mathrm d^#3 #1}{\mathrm d#2^#3}} % nth derivative \newcommand\pan[3]{\frac{\partial^#3 #1}{\partial#2^#3}} % nth partial derivative {\small\begin{align*} \den xy2 +k^2y =f(x)\\ \frac1k\int\limits_0^x\Big( f_{xx}(u)kf(u)\Big)\sin k(xu)+2kf_x(u)\cos k(xu)\dd u\\+k\int\limits_0^x f(u)\sin k(xu) \dd u=f(x)\\ \int\limits_0^x\Big( \frac{f_{xx}(u)}kf(u)\Big)\sin k(xu)+2f_x(u)\cos k(xu)\\+ kf(u)\sin k(xu) \dd u=f(x) \\ \int\limits_0^x\left( \frac{f_{xx}(u)}k+(k1)f(u)\right)\sin k(xu)+2f_x(u)\cos k(xu) \dd u=f(x) \\ \end{align*}}\]
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UnkleRhaukus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
now i guess i just have to apply the product rule in reverse ,
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AccessDenied Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Hmm, would that differentiation under the integral be applicable if the domain of integration also contains the variable we are differentiating with respect to? I'm not exactly certain of this...
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UnkleRhaukus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
im not sure
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Why are you pulling that partial derivative in? Isn't it implied by fundamental theorem that the function inside the integral is the derivative?
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Hmmm oh yeah, there is that \(x\) in there...
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UnkleRhaukus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i dunno
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
What inspired the partial derivative, was it just a guess?
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AccessDenied Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I believe that is an integration rule being used here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibniz_integral_rule
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UnkleRhaukus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@wio im not sure, it worked on the previous question
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Ah, I see. I was a big confused as to the fact that we have a multivariable function
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AccessDenied Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Actually, the part titled "Formal Statement" on that page looks useful here...
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
What would \(b(\theta)\) ad \(\theta\) be?
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\(b(\theta) = x \) and \(\theta = x\)?
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
@UnkleRhaukus did you look at the formal statement?
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UnkleRhaukus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yeah , but im not sure how to use that in my problem
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Did you try writing it out to see what happens?
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AccessDenied Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
\( \displaystyle \frac{\text{d}}{\text{d} x} \int_{a(x)}^{b(x)} y(u, \; x) \; \text{d}u = \int_{a(x)}^{b(x)} y_x (u, \; x) \; \text{d}u + y(b(x), \; x) \; b'(x)  y(a(x), \; x) \; a'(x) \) \(a(x) = 0\), \(b(x) = x\), \(y(u, \; x) = f(u) \; \sin(k(x  u)) \) I think, anyways. I haven't used this theorem before... (:
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
@AccessDenied actually it seems when you write it out, the added parts go to 0
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AccessDenied Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Yeah, I see that now. Interesting. :)
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Ummm does \[ \sin k(xu) = \sin(kx)\cos(ku)  \sin(ku)\cos(kx) \]make things any easier? grasping at straws here.
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
You know one thing I've been wondering about.... Since \(f(u)\) is obviously a single variable function, does it have a partial derivative?
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Either it's constant with respect to \(x\) or \(\frac{d}{dx}f(u) = f'(u) u'(x)\) based on chain rule.
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
@UnkleRhaukus @AccessDenied could you clear this up?
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
How can a single variable function have a partial derivative?
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
imagine if \(f(x) = e^x\) the \(f(u)=e^u\) right?
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
I think \(f_x(u)\) is a dead end. I don't see how you'd recover from that because there is no integration with respect to \(x\).
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
And it doesn't really make sense to me anyway, for whatever that is worth. Maybe it would work if you just treat \(f(u)\) like a constant?
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
@UnkleRhaukus Ummm sorry if I'm being a bother but.... do we have reason to believe that \(u\) and \(x\) depend upon each other or are independent of each other?
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UnkleRhaukus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
im not sure
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
If you do this: \[ \large \frac{dy}{dx} = \int^x_0 f(u)\cos k(xu) du \]
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
then try the thing that @AccessDenied mentioned.. I wonder
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\[\large \frac{d^2y}{dx^2} = k\int^x_0 f(u)\sin k(xu) du +f(x) \] Oh pellet, it works!
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wio Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
@UnkleRhaukus All you gotta do is treat \(f(u)\) as a constant and it'll work.
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UnkleRhaukus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i dont understand
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AccessDenied Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Ahh, sorry, I tried to switch to my other computer but I was getting blank screen for the rest of the night. >.< It does appear to work for us here by treating f(u) as independent with respect to x. We were also not told how they were related, so I guess its just more reasonable to assume they are independent of each other.
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AccessDenied Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
From the previous problem, we had constant limits of integration. The theorem here 'worked' but the terms involving the derivative of the constants vanished. Here, it becomes a bit different where a limit of integration is a nonconstant function of the differentiating variable and has a nonzero derivative. Since they're both the same theorem though, it may be helpful to keep the general theorem in mind and just understand the result of using constant limits when you see them. That's what I am thinking, anyways.
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