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monroe17 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
\[\int\limits_{?}^{?} x^3(x^410)^{45}dx \] by making the substitution that u=x^410
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AravindG Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
ok u substituted u now find what is dx in terms of du
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
\(u=x^410,\quad du=4x^3dx\) \(\int\limits x^3(x^410)^{45}dx=\frac14\int u^{45}du\)
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ASAAD123 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
u=x^410 du/dx=4x^3 \[\int\limits \frac{ u ^{45} }{4 }dx=\frac{ 1 }{4 }\int\limits u ^{45}=\frac{ 1 }{4 }\times \frac{ u ^{46} }{ 46 }+c=\frac{ u ^{46} }{ 184 }+c\]
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blurbendy Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Don't forget to substitute (x^4  10) back in for you!
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monroe17 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
okay okay.. I completely understand until you guys got to the parts after finding du.. can someone explain everything after that step by step?
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\[\large \color{orangered}{u=x^4+10}\]Taking the derivative with respect to x,\[\large \frac{du}{dx}=4x^3\]Moving the dx to the other side gives us,\[\large du=4x^3dx\]Dividing both sides by 4 gives,\[\large \color{orangered}{\frac{1}{4}du=x^3dx}\] Use the two orange pieces to make your substitution.
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
10, sorry bout that. Shouldn't make much difference.
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
dw:1358443764659:dw\[\huge \rightarrow \int\limits (u)^{45}\left(\frac{1}{4}du\right)\]
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monroe17 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
now do i substitute u and du in for the integral? and I need it to be in respect to x not u
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monroe17 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
can i always divide how you did to get the 1/4?
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
U substitutions can be tricky. We're not replacing one little piece at a time. We're replacing a big chunk of stuff with another big chunk. So the first part was ok, we have a U=something. It's pretty clear how to plug that in. But then we also wanted to replace \(\large x^3 dx\) with something involving DU. To do so, we had to essentially SOLVE FOR \(\large x^3 dx\).
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
So I had to get the 4 OFF of it.
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monroe17 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
1/4x^3 dx?
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monroe17 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
or is it replaced as a C?
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
So we start with U. From there, we took the derivative of U. Our main goal here is to find a suitable U and then also a U' somewhere in the integral. We're hoping that by making the substitution, it'll get easier. So our \(\large u=x^410\). Now we need to find a u'. Taking the derivative of u gave us, \(\large du=4x^3dx\).
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
See that second part? We need to SOLVE for x^3dx. See how the 4 is in the way? It doesn't quite match what's in our integral because of that annoying 4.
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monroe17 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
So we need to balance it..?
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Yes, if I'm understanding you correctly :) To solve for x^3 dx we can divide both sides by 4.\[\large du=4x^3dx \qquad \rightarrow \qquad \frac{1}{4}du=\cancel{\frac{4}{4}}x^3dx\]
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monroe17 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Okay that makes sense.
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monroe17 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
what comes after balancing it though..?
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
So we've got it to a point where we'll now be able to replace EVERY x and dx with something involving u and du. And we're hoping it will be simpler than it was in X (and it will be :D ).
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\[\large \color{cornflowerblue}{u=x^410} \qquad \color{orangered}{\frac{1}{4}du=x^3dx}\]Using these pieces to make our substitution. I'll color code it so it's a little easier to understand.
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monroe17 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
1/4(x^410)^(45)*x^3 ?
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\[\huge \int\limits (\color{cornflowerblue}{x^410})^{45}\cdot \left(\color{orangered}{x^3dx}\right)\]
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Are you able to see how we're going to replace the pieces? I just rearranged some things so it's a little easier to match up the pieces.
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monroe17 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
oh okay I see how you substituted it.
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monroe17 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
now i need to antidifferentiate?
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Yes good good c:
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monroe17 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
umm..what part of that though? (x^410)^{45} ? and x^3dx
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Did you make the substitution? We don't integrate until we've changed it over to U.
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\[\large \int\limits\limits (\color{cornflowerblue}{x^410})^{45}\cdot \left(\color{orangered}{x^3dx}\right) \qquad \rightarrow \qquad \int\limits (\color{cornflowerblue}{u})^{45}\cdot \left(\color{orangered}{\frac{1}{4}du}\right)\]Integrate with respect to u.
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
don't worry about all that X garbage. We got rid of that with our substitution.
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monroe17 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yeah i got that part.
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
So integrating with respect to u gives us,\[\large \frac{1}{4}\cdot \frac{1}{46}u^{46}+C\]Having trouble with that part? We'll have one more minor step after you integrate. We were given the integral in terms of X. So we want our final answer to also be in terms of X. From here, we need to BACK substitute.
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monroe17 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yeah im having trouble integrating with respect to u... can you explain that more clearly
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monroe17 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
okay I got the back substitute.. im completely confused on the integrating with respect to u. i got 1/184(x^410)^(46)+C
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
We can simply apply the Power Rule for Integration.\[\large \int\limits x^n dx \quad = \quad \frac{x^{n+1}}{n+1}+C\]Which I prefer to write this way,\[\large \frac{1}{n+1}x^{n+1}+C\]
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
We raise the power by 1, then divide by the NEW power. Example:\[\large \int\limits x^3 dx \quad = \quad \frac{1}{4}x^4+C\]See how the power increased to 4, then we divide by 4 also?
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Try to completely ignore the 1/4 in our U integral. It's a constant, it can be pulled outside of the integral. It won't affect the process at all. We'll just multiply by 1/4 after integrating.
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monroe17 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yeah that makes sense :) i forgot that formula
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monroe17 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
got it :)
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
yay team c:
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monroe17 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
wait but where does the x^3dx go then?...
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
You don't have to back substitute the DU. The DU disappears as a part of the integration process.
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monroe17 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
and thats why it becomes +C?
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
The +C comes from the fact that it's an INDEFINITE integral. See how there are no upper or lower limits of integration? Here is a quick example: \[\large f(x)=x^2+7\]\[\large f'(x)=2x\] Let's look at another function,\[\large g(x)=x^245\]\[\large g'(x)=2x\] See how the constants become 0 when you take a derivative? Alright so let's look at this integral a moment. \[\large \int\limits 2x \;dx\quad = \quad x^2+ ?\] Is it +7? Is it 45??? We don't know. This integral solution represents a FAMILY of functions. ALL of the possible x^2's. So we have to throw a +C on the end to compensate for any constant that may have been there originally.
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