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A multiplechoice test has five possible answers for each questions. On any given question a student has probability .75 to know the right answer and probability .25 to have to guess. Since there are five possible answers, the probability he guesses correctly is .25. If a student answered the question correctly, what is the probability that he guessed?
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A multiplechoice test has five possible answers for each questions. On any given question a student has probability .75 to know the right answer and probability .25 to have to guess. Since there are five possible answers, the probability he guesses correctly is .25. If a student answered the question correctly, what is the probability that he guessed?
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tomo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
give me one second to show my work
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tomo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
P(knows correct) = .75 P(guess) = .25 Is the probability he guesses correctly .25 or is it 1/5 = .2? I believe that i am looking for P(guess given that it is correct) ??
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
you are looking for a conditional probability
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
and i believe you need baye's formula for this one
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
if you put \(A\) as the probability he gets the answer right, and \(B\) as the probability he guessed, you are looking for \[P(AB)\] which you compute via \[P(AB)=\frac{P(A\cap B)}{P(B)}\]
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ok that was wrong, you are looking for \(P(BA)\)
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tomo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yes, P(guess given that he answers correctly)
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
using the sets i wrote above, you compute \[P(BA)=\frac{P(A\cap B)}{P(A)}\]
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tomo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
so, can we say that P(guess AND correct) = P(guess) * P(correct)
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
yes, that is your numerator
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
oh wait no it isn't sorry
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tomo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
that is assuming the two are independent right
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
because they are not independent
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tomo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
so do i have to use the extended bayes formula
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
you compute \[P(A\cap B)=P(B)\times P(AB)\] yes, it is baye's formula you need
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
both of those are easy to compute, \(P(B)=.25\) and \(P(AB)=.2\) i think
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
this line from your question . Since there are five possible answers, the probability he guesses correctly is .25. is wrong i think
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
if there are 5 possible answers, and he guesses, the probability he guesses right should be \(.2\) not \(.25\)
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tomo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I'm confused. Is P(B AND A) the same as P(A AND B)?
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
i think you should get for the numerator \(.25\times .2\) and for the denominator \[.25\times .2+.75\times 1\]
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
yes, they are the same \(P(A\cap B)=P(B\cap A)\)
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
you know how to compute \(P(A)\) the probability he guesses, and \(P(BA)\) the probability he gets it right given that he guesses
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tomo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
where do i find the AND/intersection statement in the equation editor? i can't find it and it would help me explain my thinking.
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
i used \cap
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tomo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
thanks, ok I'm confused because I thought that changing the order of B and A in bayes formula changed the B and A in the intersection. \[P(BA) = P(B \cap A)/P(A) \] and \[P(AB) = P(A \cap B)/P(B)\]
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
let me get to a desktop, it is hard to write this on a lap top
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ok that's better
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
both the formulas you wrote above are correct, and the numerators are both the same the point of baye's is that you can use the conditional probability you know (the easy one) to compute the conditional probability you want (the hard one) at the moment, we don't know \(P(A\cap B)\) so we have to use a conditional probability to find it
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
if \(A\) is you get the right answer, and \(B\) is you guess, we can know both \(P(B)=.25\) because it is given to us, and we can compute \(P(AB)\) by thinking so we can compute \(P(A\cap B)=P(B)\times P(AB)\)
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\(P(AB)\) means you guess, and you get the answer correct. since one out of the 5 answers is correct, if you guess you have a one in five (aka .2\) chance of getting it right, so \(P(AB)=.2\) and therefore \[P(A\cap B)=P(B)P(AB)=.25\times .2\]
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
we cannot compute \(P(BA)\) because it is not obvious, it is what we are looking for so we have to use the one above
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
now we need \(P(A)\) the denominator.
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
btw after we do this the hard way i will show you a very quick snappy way to do it
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tomo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
ok, give me one second to compute the answer.
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
then we will do it in our heads with almost no computation at all
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tomo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
P(BA) = .05/.75 = .0666
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
that is not what i get
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
your denominator is wrong it should be \(P(A)=.75+.25\times .2=.8\)
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tomo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
oh yeah, I forgot to add the probability of guessing correctly
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\(A\) is he gets it right, but he gets it right more than 75% of the time he gets it right if he knows it and also if he guesses correctly
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ok now lets do it the snap way
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
he answers 100 questions, and he gets 75 right because he knows them and of the remaining 25 he gets 5 right
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
therefore he gets 80 right total, and of those 80 he guessed on 5 your answer is therefore \(\frac{5}{80}\)
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
wasn't that easy?
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tomo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
interesting. I didn't think of that.
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
baye's formula becomes much less mysterious when you use numbers and think
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tomo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
thank you very much for all the help. I really appreciate it. Sometimes this probability can be quite confusing.
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
easier than saying \[P(BA)=\frac{P(B)P(AB)}{P(B)P(AB)+P(B^c)P(AB^c)}\]
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satellite73 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
hint, on an exam if you get confused use numbers make them big
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tomo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
thanks for the tip.
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A little way up, you said that \[P(AB) = .2\] I was thinking about that and tried doing a probability tree. dw:1358740038530:dw why isn't it .25*.2. (.25 for guessing and .2 for guessing it correctly.)? Does \[P(AB) \] mean probability of B given that we know A has occurred? Now that be occurs what is the probability of A?
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tomo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
be should be 'B'
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tomo Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
right after P(AB) i messed up. I mean "Does P(AB) mean probability of A given that we know B has occurred? Now that B occurs what is the probability of A?"
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