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ParthKohli
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\[\sum_{k = 1}^{1000} 2^{(k!)!} \equiv n\pmod{1000}\]\(n\) is a threedigit number.
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\[\sum_{k = 1}^{1000} 2^{(k!)!} \equiv n\pmod{1000}\]\(n\) is a threedigit number.
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@amistre64 Phi function?
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Well, \((k!)!\) would be divisible by all positive numbers under \((k!)!\)
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
How can I proceed with that information?
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amistre64 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
well, the sum of mods reduces each term .. might be useful. 23 = k (mod 3) k = 2; since 3(7) + 2 = 23 23 = 3+3+3+3+3+3+3+2 3+3+3+3+3+3+3+2 = k (mod 3) 0+0+0+0+0+0+0+2 = k (mod 3) k = 2
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amistre64 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
im not sure how applicable the phi function might be, is it stated in the question by chance? or was that just an idea of yours?
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Yup, know that property. :)
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Idea of mine.
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Or would it be recognizing some pattern?
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amistre64 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
it might be patternable ... if your mod reductions simplify down to a repetition what are the first 10 terms .. or 5 terms?
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amistre64 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
1!, 2!, 6!, 24!, 120!, 720!, .... that can be a nightmare, but might be reduceable by phis
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
a1 = 2 = 0 (mod 1000) a2 = 4 = 4 (mod 1000) a3 = 2^(720!) = O_O (mod 2)
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
a3 = 2^(6!) = 2^(720) sorry
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
2^(1!) = 2 = 2 (mod 1000) 2^(2!) = 4 = 4 (mod 1000) 2^(3!) = 64 = 64 (mod 1000) 2^(4!) = 216 (mod 1000) Hmm
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Do you see any pattern? o_O
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amistre64 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
not yet ... when does 2^n equal a multiple of 1000? i know 2^10 = 1024, which is 24 mod 1000
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
2^2 = 4 4^3 = 64 64^4 has the last three digits 216 216^5 has last three digits equal to 216
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
no, 576.
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amistre64 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
lol, dont look at this: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2%5E%28n%21%29%21%2C+n%3D1..3
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Superexponential function! :O
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amistre64 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i see a pollard factorization method that might be useful ... but might not
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Dag nab those fancy names.
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amistre64 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
2^(p1)=1 (mod p) per fermat little thrm.
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amistre64 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
if k! = (p1)q for some interger q, then that reduces to 1 mod p
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Hmm... :
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Is there anything to do now? :\
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Oh.\[k! \equiv 2^{(p  1)} \pmod{p}\]Is it so?
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amistre64 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
thats fermats little thrm i believe
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Were you able to solve it then?
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Gotta sleep, or rather: gotta sleep on the problem. ;) If you have any solution, feel free to post.
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Thanks for your time!
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amistre64 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
me? no, i got no idea what the solution would be for this. number theory is too far behind and too little used for me to think clearly about it.
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Thanks anyway sire!
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amistre64 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
ive got my elementary number theory textbook that im looking thru, and might be able to determine something in about a day :)
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@experimentX Any ideas on this one?
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
I don't know ... but let me see.
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
What does Mathematica compute?
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
overflow :(((
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Oh . . . what do you mean by overflow? It isn't able to compute it due to the hugeness?
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Yep ...
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Darn. I thought Mathematica was smart.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Let me try finding the sum of mods first
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Yeah, try it onebyone, maybe we can find some pattern. Actually we did above, but let's see what we get for the further values.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Sum[Mod[2^((i!)!), 1000], {i, 1, 1000}]
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
returns overflow in computation ... let me try on matlab.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
looks like application of Euler totient function. but let me compute it numerically first.
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Yup, that.
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
But it would get harder and harder to compute \(\phi((n!)!)\) as \(n\) increases. :
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
trust me .. I don't know that ... I am least experience with number theory.
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Me too :(
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
damn!! even sum of these numbers is huge digit ... returns NaN
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@Callisto Hi, any ideas?
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Try calculating modulo 1000? Just an idea...
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
bug on my code .. :(((
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Well, it's more like pattern recognition, I guarantee you that.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
yeah i know ... my code was correct ,,, just 2^(,,(..)) is such a huge number. i guess Bigger than grahms number.
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
But still lesser than Googol.
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Or is it?
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Grahams number is bigger than googol
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
numerically it's a fiasco ... let me look for totient function.
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Fiasco indeed.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
I never used Totient function on my entire life. ... looks like worth it.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
freaking group theory is again here.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
up until now I managed to calculate 2^1000! mod 1000 numerically.
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
A very interesting property \[ a^{\phi (n)} = a^{mn} = k \mod n \] So the problem is asking, for what value of \( k \ge n \), \((k!)! = 0 \mod \phi(1000)\)
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
The answer is 454 ... Amazing, Apart for Euler theorem I managed to learn Euclid algorithm, System of linear congruence, Chinese Remainder theorem, ...
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Is there a CRT here too?!
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
oh ... just step for understanding Euler's theorem. I have never done number theory in my entire life.
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ParthKohli Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I see, number theory and contest mathematics combined is pretty hard!
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
quite hard ... i often have difficulty doing problems on most of them.
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